""""If someone tells you they are going to teach you how to play Chess in 4 days and NOBODY in the class learns how to play chess, chances are their is something wrong with the teacher.""""


This is hilarious! So true...

Absolutely. I remember my nephew (now grown) while in HS having a particular math teacher, and the entire class getting D's or below. Was it the students? No way. It was the teacher, who was ill-prepared to teach the subject. My nephew graduated a math major from college, with honors.

RSE teaches you to blame yourself, "accept responsibility for yourself." Well, of course, when YOU ARE responsible for something occurring. What about when you're not? (RSE response, of course, "you created your reality."

If that were so, RSE wouldn't exist.

"Because you have become a victim (a person who suffers from a destructive action) and you refuse to realize it."

"THEY ARE ALREADY THE THING THEY HAVE BEEN TAUGHT TO HATE - A VICTIM."

There are many hooks at RSE but none as confusing as this one.

Rule #1 Anyone who questions or complains about anything is a victim.

Rule #2 No victims allowed.

Rule #3 If you leave RSE you are a victim.

Jz-pretending-to-be-ramtha plays directly into the shame game. It's a beauty.

If a "student" leaves RSE s/he is a victim and victims are BAD. If a "student" stays and asks questions or complains s/he is a victim and victims are BAD.

So if a person stays they ask no questions and if a person leaves they ask no questions...and we know that her victim strategy works because how many thousands of people have been ripped off by jz and done nothing about it????

This is mind control in action...

I am SOOO with you on this one Eyes Wide Open.
You have put a convoluted practice very straight and simple.

Re: ... a "victim" is one who expects another to do their work for them because they themselves cannot do the work themselves....one allows another to "lead"...the follower ..is subject to influence ..subconsciously agreed upon.."

The agreement is BEYOND subconscious agreement: all students registering for the BC follow-up (1,800?) had to stand in long lines wrapping around the arena for hours to 'renew' their WRITTEN contract with JZINC. Mr. Not-So-(w)Right wrote a cute letter trying to explain the need for re-upping process. (what really happened? maybe their computer systems crashed & data not backed up, maybe agreements not legal if too old..?)

But, an additional NEW clause was added to the 20+ existing clauses on 3 legal size sheets covering 'teaching' the material to others.

So, people SIGN & AGREE to be victim in perpetuity: "You can NEVER know how to teach this...this dependence here is til 'way after JZ is dead."
[Crossover from Rambo: 'If you even THINK about using it..I'll BRING YOU DOWN!!!] And all the 'processing time' adds a concentration camp type stress, gnawing at yur innards. ("can I really live up to this?? JZ can be REALLY vicious..Dr. Joe..) ick.

whew. thank god for those who went before me, this site.

"But, an additional NEW clause was added to the 20+ existing clauses on 3 legal size sheets covering 'teaching' the material to others."

I really don't understand how these so called RSE teachings are "leagally protected".RSE teaches NOTHING NEW. We all know that these techniques can be found in various religious practices. Did her lawyers do ANY research? Remote viewing is not new...I read a book about it long before I heard of RSE. Zen archery...ibid. Levitation? I saw TM practitioners "bounce" over thirty years ago. The wine ceremony is a first class *******isation of "Holy Communion"....of course there is R's story about him and his so-called master hanging out smoking pipes and drinking. Yeah? Thirty-five thousand years ago the art of wine-making didn't exist. I remember Ledwith talking about wine in the Egyptian tombs as if the great quantities has some mystical significance....simple, they liked to drink!!! Gee , I guess that makes the French, Germans, and Italians "enlightened" peoples....not!

The original poster is happy with RSE. I'm SURE there are people who are VERY HAPPY in RSE. Remember there were some very happy Nazis too. It worked for them. Their lives were good, they made money, their families were secure. They bought it hook, line and sinker. One just needs to see Leni Reifensthal's "Triumph of the Will". It is enough to make one's eyes cross. Oh, by the way, Joseph Goebbels used American advertising techniques....Bush & Co. use "folksy" propaganda LOL! Greg Simmons, Joseph Goebbels, Mr. Rove ...same breed of cat!

Bright, talented people are attracted to the RSE sort of thing because they can accept Ramtha or the idea of a channeled entity as a possibility or even a "probability" give the complexity of "life" in the universe. But enlightenment is really not driven by intellectual ability. It is a life condition. So JZ can have people with a pile of degrees "teaching". It doesn't mean they've acheived that life condition.

This is a quote from Hermetic teacher Franz Bardon, who by the way felt that this knowledge should be freely given.

"Knowledge, Courage, Volition and Silence are the four pillars of the foundation upon which rests Solomon's Temple, the microcosm and the macrocosm upon which the sacred science of magic is built. Every magician must have these fundamental attributes, which are in accordance with the four elements, if he wishes to attain the highest, the ultimate, in this sacred science" - Franz Bardon

Notice the words "sacred science". Also notice the word "silence". The core of "mastership" is based in a strong foundation of balanced life.

My heart goes out to those sincere seekers who have been deceived.

So JZ can have people with a pile of degrees "teaching". all the teachers i know have only phony degrees.if surfing the internet is serious sientific research i might be a dr too.beeing an apointed teacher only means you r conform with the rse salespitch.

>>Bright, talented people are attracted to the RSE sort of thing because they can accept Ramtha or the idea of a channeled entity as a possibility or even a "probability" give the complexity of "life" in the universe. But enlightenment is really not driven by intellectual ability. It is a life condition.<<

I just wanted to highlight that part again, and add, as others have on different posts on this board, that it is also directly related to one's relationships with other human beings and how you treat them and yourself... Kindness, compassion, empathy and understanding.

Is there anyone that works at RSE or goes to the RSE as a student who is not, at some level or degree, AFRAID of "Ramtha" or JZ Knight?

Is there one person who does not fear them to some degree and to what degree does that fear control them?

I think it makes sense to be afraid of people like JZ who are untreated alcholic/sociopaths with a lust for power.

However, when you stay under their thumb and don't extricate yourself EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE AFRAID, you stay one of her victims.

Agree?

This is just my observation. Those who live in Yelm and
near the school appear to be much more 'afraid' and
invested. Those who didn't move are either thinking about
moving, are planning to move, keep changing their minds,
or decided it doesn't matter where they are-they choose
to not live underground and whatever catastrophes occur,
they go with the flow, as in "so be it." LOL.

My observation only, and I in no manner have seen the
entire student body; the most I've seen is 1000 at once,
in audience for "the great and wonderful" JZ?JR?

LOL - your comment about "R" "What be a Safeway?"
People learning to speak English experience something
a little odd sometimes when they first come to the
US. The phrase, "thanks a lot," for example, is taken
very literally. They believe you are thanking them, and
not the opposite. So, bearing this in mind, "what be a
Safeway?" In my experiences, it would be interpreted
at least initially, as a "safe way' to do something, or a "safe place" or a
"safe path." Same thing when native English speakers
learn other languages. Our attempts are clumsy at first,
and we don't speak in the manner the locals do.

Advertising here causes a problem for some, too. Example:
a junk-food product advertised as "good for you" might
be taken literally, just because it is written in an ad.

My experience - I'm sure others have different experiences.

Denotes,
To follow up on your comment, fear can generate a compulsion to hold someone in a dysfunctional relationship. The intensity of the emotion generates a dark bond.

Think "deer caught in headlights."