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for many years it has been an inner struggle for me. trying to identify and come to terms with it. what is and isn't true. Lost, your honesty is appreciared.
folks, it's like "falling in love". the magic and anything is possible-smile. and as we go deeper into the relationship we discover that it isn't what we thought it is. and we watch our dreams fade like illusions and fall from the. hearts ache..tears fall.
all of us are strong and in time will heal.
i see it as an experience. a stepping stone of sorts in a journey. and, i am not sorry because what i have learned is priceless.
speaking of myself ONLY (not directed at anyone else) I GAVE MY POWER AWAY..at first. meaning i threw all caution to the wind...trusted.
the same thing can happen in any relationship or anything we believe in. the lesson for me is to trust and believe in myself.
Tyger said, "At the exact same time that the Moderator here banned my "Lie, After Lie, After Lie..." thread."
Such a shame that post had to be deleted. 99.9% of it was so good. The Moderators (PLURAL) contacted Tyger, and welcomed him to repost it, edited, sans the flame at the end. Apparently, he’s decided that he doesn’t want to do that.
The guidelines for posting on EMF are stated up front, as with any message forum. They are not open for debate, but are designed for people to post in a civil manner. For those who find flaming entertaining, EMF is not the place for you to post. Feel free to take that elsewhere.
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Tyger, sometimes you can be distracting and disruptive. The anger inside you is coming out in inappropriate ways. Just, an observation.
You've really hit upon an important point, I think. In some of the threads on this board, in talking with recovery counselors, attending a couple of workshops (an interesting experience!), reading post-cult books and articles, there are some distinct patterns that emerge.
One of the stages of recovery is the bubbling up of some intense emotions. Finding EMF, and realizing that not only were we conned, which is horrible enough, but learning of the stories that others have endured, may only make a person more angry than they're already feeling.
We've had some folks start posting on EMF, who were still current students, that had some doubts. Like me, they did some googling, and found out that not only are they not alone with their doubts, but they are experiencing similar things that others are, too.
I saw somewhere, a comparison/contrast chart between the stages of grief, and the stages of recovery (emotionally working through) when leaving a cult.
Those posters came on EMF kicking and screaming, trying and partially wanting it (the experiences here) not to be true. If they accept what we've posted as true, then they have to leave RSE because they've burst the bubble and faced the fact that it's a scam. Not easy at all to do that.
We've been patient with them, and it all worked out well. A number of those people have moved on from EMF for the most part. We still hear from them from time to time. They've relocated, rebuilt their lives, found happiness and are just doing well. EMF is a stepping stone that can be of short or longer duration.
But then there are still those dang guidelines.
( Love ya, Tyger ;-)
I can't pinpoint when I started doubting but I had a gut feeling something wasn't quite right. I had dreams that the reason JZR wanted everyone to move to Yelm was to trap them there. I remote viewed Yelm several years from now and it isn't a pretty sight.
So I started Googling and found EMF.
>>>>>...I've gathered all the Ramtha stuff and put it in one place. I'm looking at a lot of money spent. What shall I do with it now? Ebay, here I come....<<<<<
I wouldn't recommend spreading that mental distraction to others to get hooked on those teachings that only brought you 'dissapointment. I trashed 'everything.' And I didn't do it out of anger. Simply released it from me, and clearing my self.
Put it in a UG, then seal that UG up...It's a tomb.
My posts and reply attempts past 3 days have not appeared. Am I cut off too?? What is going on?
Your post went through just fine; it's posted.
""Put it in a UG, then seal that UG up...It's a tomb.""
I've got the same dilemma. On one hand, I'm reading the "old" R teachings so that I can compare for inconsistencies. I picked up a copy of "A Master's View etc.", Vol. 1 & 2. It's interesting in that while at RSE, it was explained to us that Jesus was actually meeting "R" at night, while in the books, it's written that Jesus was meeting with Yahweh and Id. Those of you with some interest and/or training in psychology certainly know what the "id" is. Interesting.
However, can you imagine, 2000 yrs. in the future, some "archaeologist" stumbling across the remnants of "R's world," and people actually believing it? It leads one to wonder about anything that's been dug up! What is real? What is truth? All we know from reading, all we've learned from churches and religion still--all we can honestly attest to is our own feelings and experiences, ie - I love my family (and my GSD although he's given me quite a workout today!)
I can only try and envision the scene when someone digs up "the two paths" and the "Rockumentary!" Waw. How enlightening, INDEED.
G2G: Jesus spent the night with the ID? I don't get it. But, then, even though I have been trying my darndest to understand everything that goes on or went on at RSE, since I have not been there, What the Bleep do I Know???
And, know I tend to go off topic, but your idea about archaologist digging up artifacts years hence makes me think of a great book - "A Canticle for Leibowitz" - in the first part of the book, post nuclear holocaust 100 years in the future, "Saint Leibowitz" is worshipped by the remnants of the Christian Church - the sacred artifact they have dug up says "Bagels for Emma,...it's a grocery list to us, but to them, a source of infinite wisdom and mystery. I wish I could remember the name of the author.
Lost, why not Google that? I asked myself.
Here is a link if you are interested.
""G2G: Jesus spent the night with the ID? I don't get it. But, then, even though I have been trying my darndest to understand everything that goes on or went on at RSE, since I have not been there, What the Bleep do I Know???""
Oh, it just keeps getting crazier and crazier! "Id" and "Yahweh," according to "R's" model, were two of the three extraterrestrial "gods" who came to "terra" (earth) when mankind called out for help (for what, I'm not certain). The third god to come? Why, that would be Jehovah, who had been at war with the peaceful Id and Yahweh.....
The book you mentioned sounds enticing. Thanks for the link - I'm going to Amazon and buy it! Reminds of the old Star Trek movie, "V-Ger" - the old Voyager which somehow created life, which was searching for its "creator."
Yup, G2G. To add to the story, Jehovah (a jealous God who hates women due to his sister being more powerful-popular than him), did war with Yahweh. Id, however, stayed out of it and minded his own business - a very peaceful dude.
Well, Jehovah actually won the war, the rotten egg.
So, in the meanwhile, the troops of Yahweh have been preparing, along with Ramtha, for the return of Jehovah (whose presence can be felt here on Earth). They would do battle again, and Jehovah would lose.
Then, another day, Ramtha told the audience that WE (humanity) is Jehovah. The collective consciousness of the first three seals, trapped from visible light, downward.
So, yet again, WE are made "wrong". Directly, indirectly, doesn't matter, just always happens.
Oh ! And don't forget that when the next war happens, there will be the 12 Days of Light in the heavens, with no night time. Perpetual light that we'll need to hide indoors to be safe from. Why ? Cuz it will be the light of the battle of the spaceships. Lasers, as I understood it to represent.
Hmmm....I don't have much in the way of curtains on my windows, LOL. Don't want to obstruct my view.
Thanks Whatchamacallit. Still don't get it.
Weren't Yaweh and Jehovah the same entity, at least in the translation of the Bible commonly used today?
If they were separate - which of them did Jesus derive from, according to JZ?
Should we be worshipping Id, who stayed out of it?
Sounds like, when RSE students are told, "You are God" what is meant is some sort of insult.
Ramtha may be rewriting the Bible ? LOL
Yes, in the Bible, one would think it's one being. R would disagree. He claimed that the old and new testaments are about multiple "Gods"...who warred. He claimed the Old Testament was about the controlling, jealous god Jehovah, and the new one was about Yahweh.
He claimed that the Council of 13 (Gods) "split" their souls and made a new one - Jesus. Then, another time, he said that Jehovah was behind Jesus' coming here, because he was to take a dark path of control, on behalf of Jehovah. BUT, the Council saved the day and intervened.
I think Ramtha has had too much wine.
S/he can't even get a story straight.
I can see a rationale for contrasting the God of the Old Testament with that of the New Testament.
The Old Testament God really could be described as a War God, unlike the God of Love and Peace in the New Testament.
Fortunately, that other stuff, about 13 Gods, (unless they were all aspects of the same divine entity) prevents me from completely agreeing with JZ/R.