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I state I did not join the school...but I also say I don't think that people who join the school are a different species from me, or you.
I bet you, Leemar, that if you write here long enough, some unscrupulous creep could figure out how to push all of your buttons, too.
"But, but, I'm a scientist", you would say, "immune to such chicanery"...
Practicing forgiveness is good for you...not because it makes you holier, not for the sake of the person or persons you forgive, but for your own sake, because it creates space and frees up energy within for better things.
Not sure who wrote this, but it is something I firmly believe in, and live by.
You need never seek revenge. Life does it for you.
By the way, I did not call YOU greedy, or call you anything at all...I was speaking generally. Nor did I suggest that all people who do not join the school are that.
No, some unscrupulous creep cannot push my buttons because I have no buttons I am free energy, I am the wind, I am RASTRO. Leemar is on the couch watching a ballgame.
PS Don't forget Leemar did start the FACTNET thread on RSE - Can he have a little credit for bringing a little more attention to this. He does know a bit about this deal and the mindset of the followers and he really would like to hear some people come forward and say hey I really seriously screwed the pooch on this one.
Very well, I give you credit. You have done a good thing. You also show signs of having a sense of humour.
But why must former students appologize for your Sister's crimes?
What part of "ex" in "ex"-student do you not get?
Is it the "e"? is it the "x"?
They already feel some combination of:
ripped off; hurt; betrayed; indignant; disgusted; raped; tormented; destroyed; alienated; bereft of their social lives; abandoned by people they thought were friends.
Why would you add to that?
And what you share with them is a wish to see justice done.
But would it be justice to inflict further harm on ex-students, or current students, for that matter?
LMMFAO!!!!! Your "Christy" and "LEEMAR" dialogue is priceless!!!!
LOLOLOL!!!! I laughed till I cried because THAT IS EXACTLY THE WAY THEY REASON AND TALK!!!!
Or talk over whatever normalcy presents itself...
Dude....that was awesome!!!! Give me more.
GIVE ME MORE!!!!
lost and jtrl, the "give your power away" comment is all inclusive. effects every area of a persons life. meaning that how often do we dress for others (as an example) because THEY say something looks good on us. even though we dont think so but wear it anyway? in other words conforming to anothers expectations.
duped-yea. and like it or not all of us empowered hampton. a monster out of control.
Happy new year!
"lost and jtrl, the "give your power away" comment is all inclusive. effects every area of a persons life. meaning that how often do we dress for others (as an example) because THEY say something looks good on us. even though we dont think so but wear it anyway? in other words conforming to anothers expectations."
While I do not dress for others (I don't dress) It sounds to me like if you are listening to those saying something looks good on you and wear what they suggest, I would think that there is a fair amount of trust there, especially if you did not percieve what they were saying as the truth.
Again, for me the "give your power away" in the example you gave smacks of cult speak. In otherwords, Someone has paid someone else a compliment, simple as that. It starts to get convuluted only when it turns into a giving your power away thing. However, I do agree and usualy make a point of giving a compliment like that a bit of another way.
I say "Gee, you really make that look great"
I am not familiar with the seemingly shared understanding of verbage on emf. It's new to me. "Cult speak" isn't familiar to me. Keep in mind that I have not had contact with rse followers or ex followers.
Happy New year
Check the links offered on this page, all about cults.
Or, you could maybe understand "clique speak", "shop talk".
I think that it's clear, to me at least, that those who have spent time at the ranch and are now here are pointing to a manner of communication adopted by many at the ranch. The dialogue by Leemar shows examples of what could be perceived as 'cult speak', showing a mindset, and a vocabulary, borrowed from JZ.
And, most people here would readily describe RSE as a cult. I sometimes wonder what distinguishes a cult from some other spiritual and social groups, but that's just me.
LIS said, "I think that it's clear, to me at least, that those who have spent time at the ranch and are now here are pointing to a manner of communication adopted by many at the ranch."
Yes, and this is true of most if not all, cults. They have their own language, loaded with "trigger" words. It serves to divide "them and us" in one's mind.
It's easy to make a point when using RSE-speak, such as "Ramtha sending a runner", because even though the person doesn't accept it as real/valid, the communication is clear about what they mean.
whatcha and lost,
thanks for the clarification. "trigger words"? That push buttons? It isn't my intention to push buttons. what "givivng my power away" means to me is deeply rooted in other experiences.
hey, why not a dictionary on "cult speak? for the sake of communication it would be helpful to new comers.
lost..i agree w/you on the what's the difference aspect. my thought exactly. perhaps we use the word "cult" casually? lt seems to me that EVERY group has their own "group speak" (lingo). and, in every group beit church or a profession or sports could be considered a cult. people are expected to conform to a specific thinking. that separates them from others. it's an identity thing.
lost, you hit the nail on the head. and, it isnt "just you". it's my question precisely.
where does the word "cult"ure come from? the identity of a group? i'm serious.
i've been reading (a lot) on line about various groups, "cults". it seems to me...
lost, whatcha, "giving ones power away" means giving ones mind and individuality away.
how many people practice religion..but have never studied a bible? how many see a new product advertised and run out and get it? and, if we dont must be something wrong w/us? if we dont have blue eyes and blond hair (w/dark roots showing)? or, if we are too fat..or thin. dont live in the "right" area..know the right people..go to the rigt places...on and on and on. sounds like a Cult to me! Is it fair to say that a "cult" is anything that creates and presents a "model of perfection" and expects absulute conformity and obedience?
ever been involved w/a church or business that doesn"t think they're right or the best? how bout various branches of the military? in everything there's an "us and them". ever been around cops? all of the above (and more) is about POWER! ego-image-identity supported by NUMBERS. $ amounts and volume of recruits/acceptance.
did anyone catch what hampton said on Larry Live? "WE have the best" in terms of Her business and product. the product being? A dream? self/God realized? enlightenment?
by the way, anyone have a definition for "enlightenment"? in light of ther peoples problems and sex life?
I know of a civic organization (well established for many years, and well known), that speaks about adults working with youth on assorted projects. They refer to "empowering" the youth. There are a few other references to types of "power", that one could compare to "new age" terminology. I don't think that's the intent at all, though.
To me, it's just about having a certain level of independence, decision making ability, feeling involved as an active contributor - like that.
As for "trigger words" (music, phrases, etc) as they are connected to cults or controlling or negative experiences, they can be so many things, imo. Scientology has their own "loaded language", as does RSE, etc.
But, of course, the words are not loaded with any emotion unless or until WE ascribe the meaning TO them. I guess it would be fair to say that to varying degrees, redefining those meanings and emotions are one of the "after the cult/coercive group/high demand group/whatever name you want to use", is part of the recovery process.
In Life Skills, empowerment means that you encourage and instruct people in the process of making their own choices, addresssing their own problems or challenges, give them problem solving and communication skills, tools that will help them once they leave the group (and you get to leave after 16 weeks...have to, part of the process).
But, shocking as it was to me, that resembles some of the teachings at the ranch. Gary Zukov in the Seat of the Soul (recommended reading at the ranch) says that "love is the only power".
Not having been to the ranch, and only knowing what I do know of it from people on this website and the RSE web page, gotta say, in theory, it does not sound all bad, but in practice, based on yours and others' experiences there, shared here, while there may be some positive things to be learned there, it sucks, because it turns out to be disempowering.
lost, that's the "bait and switch" at rse. the confusion. it started out as loving and encouraging..uplifting. customers were told NOT to follow anyone but their own god. then it changed to "R" is greater than us and knows how to teach us. you dont see hampton on King live or any other interview presenting "R" sloshed and foul? there's two different messages.
"then it changed to "R" is greater than us and knows how to teach us. you dont see hampton on King live or any other interview presenting "R" sloshed and foul? there's two different messages."
How right you are! If you noticed, thier was never the mention of r except in the name of the school. It was all about her.
YEP! says it all.