Magpi,

"How different is rse from church?"

First of all, when you say "church" I am not sure exactly how you would define that.

However, if I were to use a definition of a place of worship to included it being made up of members of the community, that actively engages in the practice of thier belieifs at no monetary profit and brings their good will back into the community at large even among those who are not of the same belief. I can say the following:

If you are getting the picture of the type of organisation I am speaking of there would be many IMPORTANT differences.

1. Non-profit

2. Their practices would not necessarily seperate them from their surrounding community.

3. They do not require a gag order to participate

4. Most that I am aware of do not require the donning of blindfolds in their disiplines for hours on end.

5. if ones saw contadictory behavior from one of the leaders, eventually their would be consequences.

**6.The Priest, Rabbi, Minister, Imann or whatever had to go through some sort of instruction to become the title they now posses. There is a system within which they can be held accountable (even though it may be too slow and burdensome).

7. If you wanted to know what it would take to become one of the above, you could find out to a certain degree, and if you found out along the way you had been lied too, hopefully you would be supported by those who had also been lied too and not told that it was all your own fault.

I would think that these are substancial enough differences to make a real difference.

if what you are trying to say is that the abuses in "churches" and rse can be similar perhaps you are correct. Abuses can happen anywhere to anyone. Another question to ask would be does the enviornment that they occur in enable them as a possibility more in one place then another?

All of the above does not come from my experience as a "church goer". I have not had extensive experience with that. However, it does come from my many years interacting with members of many faiths, seeing how they conduct their lives, listening to their views, and listening to their reasoning.

In my opinion, the majority of "churches" fall into the benign,and/ or an integral part of thier community.

RSE did not enlist the community around them. They chose to build their own private community within an existing one. Why? Perhaps one reason might be, locals would not fall for the con. Bringing outsiders into this rural community helps to foster a feeling of eliteness that furthers the RSE agenda.

I hope this helps to brings out some real differences and in some cases similarities.

Happy new year!!!

jtr;

You forgot one cardinal difference between RSE and "church" (assuming Christian, of course).

One worships God.

The other would appear to worship the exact same things that the Bible called "Satan".

....nuff said.

Happy New Year, bro!!!

Tyger I think we have a close view on RSE.

Only thing I would add is that, what I view as a typical neighborhood house of worship, a place you go for support, help, to help, etc. I am talking about the church down the street. Not the TV church, not the PAC church. I'm talking about the church with some good folks who help out the neighborhood and feel good and are happy to do it.

This church worships a faith that they hold dearly. RSE teaches to worship yourself.

LEEMAR;

Correct and in-correct.

You are correct about the neighborhood Christian church. They generally follow an established traditional tenet that is easily traceable for eons now.

You are in-correct about RSE. RSE only "sells" that you worship yourself. The actuality is that you are required to worship JZ's alter ego, Mr. Hyde aka Ramtha. The "god" JZ tells you to worship is required to take drugs, urinate blind, stomp around in animal feces, and is thoroughly degraded on a regular basis. Some "god", eh? These are the CLASSIC TENETS of Satanism as defined in the Bible (and NOT Hollyweird...)

There is no "god" at RSE and never was. That is apparent.