magpi- the question was directed at me, right?

I was in rse for 8, in Yelm for 10, years - attending events from 1993 until 2001. I was looking for 'true' happiness, total fulfilment from within, mastering myself/my emotions, becoming totally free from dependence on others for anything physically or emotionally. I was never particularly interested in obe's of even remote view. I did like the idea of having an influence on reality thru focus such as making cards, c&e, etc.

If you want my current take, I feel that what I was looking for was ultimately unattainable. Not completely without merit, just impossible to achieve from the angle I was going at it. Of course, with that comes the guilt of never being good enough and becoming more and more dependent on 'the teacher' for answers to all the inconsistencies. Thankfully, I came to my senses and am in a much happier and stable, even if not 'perfect' (by my former standards) place in my life.

littlewiseone,
We all had our reasons. I can honestly say that I never quite "accepted" it. The teachings I was interested in. But could never accept the contradictions. I did come out of believing in myself. Nor would I trade the field or tank experience.
I wasn't there when people did paradise beach. Or, long hours in the field. The forrest was interesting.
A part of me forever. I'm not throwing the baby out w/the bath water.

LEEMAR
You have missed the point. I have nothing to defend. All you are interested in is arguing and debating. That's an attack..not a discussion. Perhaps the imagined betrayal by your sis has to do w/perception-yours.

Science takes the mystery out of everything, and I like mystery.
Science leaves nothing sacred, and I like to keep a sense of the sacred.
Science contradicts itself...scientists are always debating/feuding against one another...because they do not agree. If science is so perfect, why should this be so?
Science evolves as people do...yesterday's science is today's old wives tale, or fallacy.
Science should not be worshiped like a God.
It does not take much to pick holes in most sciences.
Science makes me unhappy...
Could we say, that to some ex-students, RSE was better before "science" chimed in?
Who is so wise that they can arbitrate the difference between a science and a pseudoscience?
"Social Science" (which I studied) might be classified as a pseudoscience.
Perceptual Psychology, though, has about the same thing to say as RSE. It's not what's happening out there, it's how you interpret it that counts...it's what's going on in your mind or what is interpreted from what is impacting your senses that counts...so, in that sense, you do "create your own reality".
Problem comes, when you try to seek agreement from others, to validate your experience.
I am happiest when I make up my own mind, and allow others to do the same.
I am happy when I do not require permission or agreement.
Just my two cents.

littlewiseone;

You said; "If you want my current take, I feel that what I was looking for was ultimately unattainable. Not completely without merit, just impossible to achieve from the angle I was going at it."
Considering the sending and receiving experience that you and I had at my event....I would have to agree. We are working with phenomenon that is merely conjecture at this point. To base ANY real data upon this fool JZ's explanation, as flawed as it has been over time....is ridiculous.

More serious examination is required before definitive statements can be assured.

Oh....and littlewiseone (good name, btw...);

You MUST know that I'm not against ANYTHING spiritual....it's been my entire life's quest and the entire reason I ended up at RSE to begin with....and left it too, for that matter. I am just stating what is about what is true and easily reasoned or observed. If I said anything that is refutable, then by my honor, refute it and I will gladly bow and stand corrected.

Truly;
Tyger

Happy to read you Christel

lost in space
well said. some things cant be measured and or tested. i dont find quantum physics boring. that's not why i couldn't watch bleep/hole. i dont believe that God can be measured or explained by science.