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Re: DEBATE: Global Warming

Druid...

Can you re-send your email to me?
my computer decided to erase four days of Emails...

I suspect..
Bad karma for not sharing my chocolate...

David

Re: DEBATE: Global Warming

David;

But EVERYONE KNOWS that it's those dastardly Republicans Bush and Cheney and Halliburton and CORPORATE GREED!!!! (hysteria takes over) and ...VIETNAAAAAM....and all that Nazi-like stuff that Republicans do that is melting the ice caps on Mars. Earth isn't enough for them....oh no. They made a real estate deal with the aliens (source: Ramtha the Enebriated One) and are killing Mars for CORPORATE GREEEEEEED, man......oh, and VIETNAAAAAAM too.

All true. All "science". Like evolution, you know. "Real science". Hey can someone come and shovel my driveway....all this global warming dumped a bunch of snow on it.

Re: DEBATE: Global Warming

Personally, I’ve been a critic of limiting one’s viewpoints based solely on the results of “peer reviews”. I’ve commented on this in at least one post in the past. Since this topic has come up again, I thought I’d share some information for those who care to read it.

The flaws of “peer review”….

http://www.ama-assn.org/public/peer/7_13_94/pv3089x.htm

http://www.nature.com/nature/peerreview/debate/nature05006.html

http://www.rangelmd.com/2005/07/medical-professions-dirty-little.html

http://www.semmelweis.org/Acrobat/article_sham%20i%20am.pdf

Re: DEBATE: Global Warming

and....for those interested.......

With regard to peer reviews: Critics also make the point that peer review not only fails to prevent the publication of flawed research but also permits the publication of research that is fraudulent. This leads into the topic of “ghost writers” for someone’s agenda.

CBC Marketplace: Inside the business of medical ghostwriting
Medical ghostwriting: you may not have heard of it, but you'll probably want to .www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/health/ghostwriting/


Revealed: how drug firms 'hoodwink' medical journals | UK News ...
Hundreds of articles in medical journals claiming to be written by academics or doctors have been penned by ghostwriters in the pay of drug companiesobserver.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1101680,00.html

Ghostwriter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
With medical ghostwriting, pharmaceutical companies pay ghostwriters to produce papers in medical or scientific journals on the outcomes of new medications.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostwriter


Are Medical Journals Haunted by "Ghost Writers"? : Bio Job Blog
Fellow blogger, Jacob Goldstein, over at the WSJ Health Blog posted a story today about a prominent hypertension researcher who was approached by a me.www.biojobblog.com/2007/11/articles/ideas-and-indulgences/are-medical-journals-haunted-by-ghost-writers/

Re: DEBATE: Global Warming

Tyger- are you saying you don't believe in evolution? I'm not necessarily saying "Omigod he doesn't even believe in evolution!!!", In just wasn't exactly sure who you were making fun of.

The reason I ask is because if you don't beleive in evolution, then our views are so fundamentally different that I could'nt even try to debate you on global warming anymore. this probably sounds patronizing, but that's not how i mean it. I just can't have a scientific debate really with someone who doesn't beleive in evolution because we are coming from such fundamentally different views that there is really no point.

Re: DEBATE: Global Warming

The scientific method is based on the ability to measure and then to duplicate that measurement. From that you arrive at a probability that something may or may not be true. In that duplication of a probability is more likely if the same scientist re-does his study therefore you have other scientists try to duplicate his findings i.e. "peer review". To eliminate peer review seems to give license to anyone claiming a probability to proceed without question,witness jz. To claim "belief" in any aspect of science, herein Global Warming, implies "faith". Presently any theory on GW is precisely that, a theory with each theory having it's own probability. So far the only person claiming the ability to see into the future with certainty is ol blubber lips herself. I am supposing that none of you have done actual research or devised your own computer models on GW so in effect you are choosing the data you want to believe in. That is entirely acceptable. Keep in mind that whatever you choose to believe it is at best a "best guess". To claim certainty of a future truth raises other questions.

Re: DEBATE: Global Warming

Bud said, "Keep in mind that whatever you choose to believe it is at best a "best guess". To claim certainty of a future truth raises other questions."

Absolutely.

Remember there was even a time that people believed the Earth was flat ! People were murdered for speaking out that it wasn't flat. Goes to show the degree to which some people need to "believe" in certain viewpoints, too.