VR,

I’m not David (though some say that Whatchamacallit IS David; it’s not), but I am responding to your response to David’s question.

VR said, “as a beginning..
Honesty, ethics and always cleansing the own house.”

Response: Agreed. A fair statement that applies to ALL.

VR said, “And please get rid of those emotions promoted here as there are: hate, malicious glee, anger and so on.”

Response: Disagree. This statement is a common whining from a pro-RSE person. I do not know one person on this forum who has left RSE or has concern over someone else who is in RSE, that wishes malice toward another. There are some who have expressed annoyance, disgust, anger. To try to take that from your view, to the level of hate and malice, is simply not true, though you may need to believe it. We’d all like to see the cult stop, and those trapped in it, freed. We may get annoyed at the same rantings of those that make such statements as you did. I don’t hate anyone. I don’t wish malice upon anyone. I have been angry at times, upon realization that I lost time, wasted money, and did so in sincerity. I should be angry about THAT. It’s justified. It’s a healthy reaction. Your perception of what emotions are “promoted” here, are not what you call them.

VR said, “There is no success or evolvement on this emotional level.”

Response: I disagree. There can be evolvement from any emotional level. Contractive emotions do not equate stagnation, VR.

VR stated, “Try it with allowance and humor beyond teasing.
Be open and encouraging! Never act as a policeforce.”

Response: Here again, you use exaggeration, to serve your personal needs instead of seeing a broader view. There has been much allowance on this forum. Act as a police force ? Sorry but that just doesn’t hold water. When, as Joe commented about, and we’ve said before but will say again, pro-RSE people have NO business posting on this forum. The rules are stated. If you choose to stick your neck out, don’t act like we are not “open and encouraging” when you’re not allowed to be special and break the rules. We stated we may well delete such posts, AND to do so without notice. This forum is intended to offer support and information to those who are NOT pro-RSE. If you are pro-RSE, go sign up for the next event. We’ve allowed posts here to remain, when we are pretty sure that they are pro-RSE supporters. We try to be patient and wait until their true colors come shining through. Those who are not pro-RSE have a right to post here and feel comfortable doing so – not having to consider that they may be bashed in any way by a pro-RSE person. That’s why we have guidelines. Don’t complain or call names when those guidelines are upheld and you are banned or deleted. I know it probably angers you that you can’t control EMF, and you may well wish malice toward us. One example of that “sharin’ the love from ya’ll” is exemplified in the over threat to David that you will send him a runner about immigration. Where was the open, encouraging approach in that comment, from a clearly pro-RSE person ? There have been many such posts from pro-RSE persons. You all need to look at YOUR emotions. We’re real clear on ours.

VR stated, “The focus should be in the present not in the past.”

Disagree. In order to grow and evolve, we need to understand history, as well as plan for our future. You’ve actually pointed out another discrepancy in Ramtha’s teachings, VR. He says, on one hand, stay focused only in the present. At other times, he admonishes students because they don’t like history and he wants to share more about history, and that it’s important, but he knows he can’t because he’ll lose his audience. Now, how about that for open mindedness ? One can choose the focus of their present, to be history ! One flaw I saw in RSE, was the duality it projected. Saying one thing, then saying the opposite, then doing yet something else. Then students will do just what they criticize in Christians. They will cite certain things Ramtha said, as “gospel”. When in fact, the chances are that at some point, he’s said just the opposite. I was in audience not long ago, when he actually did a “teaching” on just that issue. He acknowledged it. Also, as usual, he took no responsibility for really explaining his own contradictions, but he blamed the students for not being able to wrap their wits around it. Cult doublespeak. Intended to confuse. If you read about mind control, YOU will understand the “games” that Ramtha plays. Those of us who have left, and have educated ourselves further, now DO understand the “mysteries” of “Why did Ramtha say that? What did he mean?”


VR said, “Then there has to be knowledge..
It should be presented in some honorable way.
Better small steps than opinions, bias, slander, bashing.”

You probably won’t hear what I’m about to say, but I’m going to say it anyway. Perhaps it will help someone, if not you. If you haven’t read this entire webiste’s message forum posts, you should. There is a LOT of educational information about cults on here. Lots, lots, lots. In between the postings with KNOWLEDGE, done in an honorable, sincere way by sharing the information with anyone who is ready to read it, there is something else. What is that ? There are the posts that contain more personalized commentary, also. People have talked about their experiences in RSE. Many have said that at times, they had good experiences, too. But, they are clear on something – those good experiences are not due to Ramtha. They are due to the person’s own journey. An important point that Ramtha FOLLOWERS fail to understand. In the lingo, it would be the difference between TRULY honoring the God within you, instead of the God outside of you (Ramtha). Ramtha has spoken about his parlays with others from the universe. He’s spoken of how 1) he dominates the conversation because he sees to it that when he speaks, nobody else DARES to speak (hmmmm…red flag), and 2) that “they” do not agree on everything.

What you call “slander, bias, opinions and bashing”, speaking for myself, I would disagree with. We are entitled and protected such that we have every right to speak about our opinions and experiences, VR. If those are such that they happen to cast shame upon RSE, then that’s unfortunate for RSE, but that’s not our problem. Bias ? We are biased AS ARE pro-RSE students. We don’t claim not to be biased. Neither are you unbiased. Slander? No. You confuse stating experiences and opinions about those experiences as slander. It is not.
Bashing ? I will agree that some posters have vented and expressed disgust and annoyance, and I’d also say they are human and justified in those emotions. They do not post as a matter of course, with those emotions. Further, it ALMOST makes me laugh to hear you comment on bashing – when I can think of numerous wine ceremonies where Ramtha has emotionally, physically and spiritually, overtly bashed students in front of an entire audience, on camera, and in front of children. That may be alright and justifiable to YOU, because you are under the cult influence and aren’t using critical thinking. However, I would say that if your “standards” of what’s progressive on this forum apply in life, then the difference between you and I, is that I hold Ramtha to those same standards. I do not see Ramtha as “better” or “superior” to myself. I’m also NOT saying I think Ramtha exists. I’m saying this in a manner that I know you can relate to, because I’m respecting that YOU believe he exists. I believe you are brainwashed and in a destructive cult – and that’s NOT a bashing comment; it’s the truth. I wish you would become one of the ex-students who could see the truth in what I’m telling you.

VR stated, “It has to be an open process where self is included in evolving and learning.”

Response: Agreed. But the “open process” does not equate having to do so by Ramtha’s standards – or by yours. Or by mine. It’s individual, and it’s for those who care to pursue it.

VR stated, “Don’t encourage people to be superficial and followers of other peoples opinion.
Don’t make fun of dissident posters!
Learn from them, they are your loved ones.”

Response: This comment is a show stopper. Seriously. This is an example of how people can see 180 degrees apart. If you’re serious in making that comment, and I’m going to assume that you are, I can only question if you are able to see the double standard ? You need to understand, instead of ignoring the fact that this forum is not intended to argue with pro-RSE people. There is plenty of agreeing to disagree on here, even amidst ex-students. We’ve offered a variety of opinions and ideas to those asking genuine questions. We don’t have canned answers. There is no following of ex-student opinions, though when one educates themselves about cults, some viewpoints do become similar.

As for dissident posters, the guidelines are posted. That’s real simple. Dissident posters are our loved ones ? That does not ring true. The same loved ones that threaten Tree, and threaten David with immigration ? Sounds like the love bombing techniques that are used in cults, VR. What pro-RSE people “love” is those that agree with their worldview. They BASH everyone outside of it and Ramtha promotes that. I’ve heard it many times, so no need to deny it. The things you speak of that we should do on this forum are things that your teacher does not exemplify. That is, a hypocrisy and double standard. It is not acting like we are all the equals that we supposedly are.

VR states, “The echoes you get is showing you if you are on the right path!”

Response: This is 100% Ramthaspeak. The “echoes” that I have gotten, have clearly shown me I AM on the right path. No worries there, VR. I dare say that you have a huge echo resounding in your face, called EMF. But, since you are not frequency specific ENOUGH with it, you are not “getting the truth” of it.

VR states, “ The present state of the behaviour in this forum is far below human capabilities,
and so you do attract specific entities.”

Response: The present situation includes infiltration, as Christel calls it, by angry pro-RSE people, because they are lashing out due to the recent, SUCCESSFUL, LARSE2 gathering. It was a well attended event, which gained newspaper publicity, and is connected to future media coverage that is in the works. We are not surprised about the recent flurry of hate posts by pro-RSE people. Or the attacks of “love and encouragement” by those who made statements to the press against Tree and David.

VR states, “There may be some points we all can learn from, but now I don’t see any fruitful support or evolvement.”

Response: Look harder. It’s there if you can see it. I see it. Others see it.

VR states, “It’s not an easy task, and I would not take it, but if you want this forum –
do it righteously, or don’t do it at all!”

Response: With all due respect, thank you for your opinion, but we do want this forum, we’ve said we’re not perfect, but we ARE doing a righteous job at it, and if we don’t do it to your pro-RSE standards, it doesn’t mean we won’t do it at all, but we won’t do it to your liking. Then again, be reminded, it was never designed for your liking. It was designed to open a door of communication for those who have been silenced at RSE. They do not allow “dissident posters” on the Masters Connection, or any form of dissidence in RSE. Those people may not pass, who dare to criticize. Some have been physically escorted, or tossed out of the premises. And you criticize us for upholding stated policies ? My, my, my. Good Day, VR.

A case of identity theft?

"VirtualReality," you need to come up with your own name and not hijack mine. I have started threads on this forum dated Oct 1, Aug 27, June 28, June 17, June 13, May 29, May 22.

You are posting under someone else's name. I hope that the moderators will consider deleting all of the posts fraudulently made under another poster's name.

virtual reality...
I was just lampooned with a name like mine...not as bad as what happened to you.
So now we know, one method of infiltration...
Should we question posts from people we think we know now?
Or is the use of a similar name just a sorry coincidence?

To the REAL Virtual Reality:

Smile... The moderators weren't born yesterday.

As always, we're on the job and YOUR voice matters.

Lost In Space,

A while ago, there was a "hijack" post that said it was from Whatcha. It wasn't me. I quietly watched and didn't tell anyone about it, except hubby.

The pro-RSE folks keep showing their true colors. There is much to be learned from their actions. EMF IS having impact. Their CLOSED SYSTEM, LOL, is failing. Not because of EMF, but because the truth is bearing itself out, all the way around.

"Has anyone other than myself heard "Ramtha" talk about the Aryan race ? I recall that, just a few years ago, and s/he said that they really are superior. Commented on how it wouldn't be "correct" to speak that, but s/he did speak it, anyway."

I know that the "old, original Ramtha™" was clearly against any form of racism and that god is within everybody. He criticized the hypocrisy of people that go to a tanning booth and then hate people with black skin. He said that he himself has darker skin just like "his people" (the lemur Lemurians).

But yes, since the teachings took a radical shift to cold, materialistic explanations that it's all about the brain, all about quantum physics and all about the genes, it would not wonder me if he said that it's important to keep "enlightened" genes/bloodlines pure.

You will find MANY similarities between JZ's hilarious charade and a certain short man with a toothbrush moustache who lived about 70 years ago. One preached "Superior race"....the other preaches "The Army of the Ram". They both use specifically choreographed music with Wagneresque themes in order to numb their audiences. They both make outrageous claims and predictions and promise "redemption" for their followers. To state just a few....

Then there are the other blatant dead give-aways. Purposefully choosing the names "Red Guard" and "Comrades" as part of her psuedo-heirarchy. She stole THAT PAGE directly from old Uncle Joe Stalin himself.
The REAL Red Guard was responsible for the out-and-out murder of millions of innocent people. Why does JZ pattern the pageantry of her so-called "school" after two of the worst mass-murderers in human history?

Even the terms she insults her students with are dead giveaways. She calls them "Master" to their faces and "peasants in hovels" behind their backs. Sound familiar? This is a CLASSIC EXAMPLE of her bourgeouis-elitist attitude that completely mimics Nazi Germany and Communist Russia.
I guess the only real question is why JZ doesn't use more Mao Tse Tung in her pageantry. It's the only mass murderer she doesn't appear to be completely enamored with.

Holy cow! The more I read these posts the happier I am that I got out. My timing was perfect. I got in, got the experience and got out. That's it.

tyger,

"I guess the only real question is why JZ doesn't use more Mao Tse Tung in her pageantry. It's the only mass murderer she doesn't appear to be completely enamored with."

How about "the great hall" ??

Wait a minute, wait a minute, she borrows heavily from Mao - it is called brainwashing and originated in China.

By the way, JZasRamtha often has said, "Confession is good for the soul." That line comes straight out of the movie "Stalin" and yes, Joe apparently said it himself.

JZasRamtha has always said, "My daughter loves history." Yeah, right. RSE gives new life to some of history's darker moments.

I stand corrected.

I read through this thread and I an amazed at the depth of the nonsense speak of the pjf (plastic judy face/ramtha)troops. My wife had brought home a video of one of the get together's. In it was a Chiropractor who was lecturing on the "brain". He had some terms on the board behind him that were spankfire new to me. He also said we only used 10% of our brain. This peaked my interest so I picked up my K&S Principles of Neuroscience and proceeded to search out these "teachings". Come to find out that the words describing cells on the board were not in the book! What's more I read that over 95% of the brains usage was taken up by a process called "proprioception". Next I read, if a cell goes unfired it will go through a process of Wallerian degeneration and ultimately fire one last time and poof! it's gone! That would be hard to handle if we didn't use 90%.
Not being one to climb my horse and ride it hard I sent off an email to this Chiropractor. In a nutshell what he said was that the things in question were contrary to current science but were told to him by pjf/ramtha and pjf/ramtha was his teacher so that's how it is!
Now I've got some scientist kinda friends that look for truth in terms of probabilities and possibilities. They use a set of rules called the scientific method. The MOST they end up with is a probability. The guys that wrote principles of Neuroscience are like that.
It does not sit well to think that while some people struggle to find answers, that pjf/ramtha makes stuff up and then you guys argue about it! You will have to excuse me but it's like my kids debating the existence of Santa Claus.
Hat's off to pjf/ramtha for this scam but hellsbells she is cherry-picking parts of quantum physics and neurscience and then making other stuff up, resulting in bovine excrement.
You pjs/ramtha fans have a duty to your own self to do your homework. Her teachings fly in the face of science and logic and you guys eat it up like candy and (be truthful) don't KNOW what the hell your talking about. It's like the little ducks who pick a mom and follow along.
Jesus didn't have to wear clothes?? Christ-on-roller-skates!
Here's a clue for you...........
Life is meaningless, except for the meaning we put in it.
You have been given a gift. You have an obligation to be yourself. You cannot be yourself buying this nonsense as a total package. No one has all the answers, no one ever had, and no one ever will.
There is no roadmap..your on your own.
Woman up, man up. Get busy, life is short.

Sweet....this man and I could have a beer together. He said it perfectly. Ramtha caters to the ignorant and uneducated. Those who are neither see through the charade.

JTR writes: "I guess the only real question is why JZ doesn't use more Mao Tse Tung in her pageantry. It's the only mass murderer she doesn't appear to be completely enamored with."

""How about "the great hall" ??""

LOL! That is too funny! (In JZR's case, I guess we could also call it "The Great Haul!"

I wanted to respond, too, as an "exer" - there are numerous well-educated people who attend RSE; that's NOT to say they aren't "ignorant" of what is taking place before their eyes. We all wore the blindfold for awhile, well, most of us. I was stunned - doctors, engineers, teachers, magaziine editors, you-name-it. In fact, that was yet another reason I fell for the "brainwash." Here were these articulate, educated people, and a priest - we, I thought, were FINALLY learning the truths that had been "hidden" from mankind through the ages, and which were only "given" to those who were in the ancient "mystery" schools.

JTR - I can just envision JZK as a big egg sitting on the Great Wall, for the fall is "indeed" coming!

Oh - when the head honcho egg falls, I shudder to think of what will occur with the students when their "cosmic eggshell" cracks and their minds are even more scrambled. Reminds me of the old TV ad about drugs - "this is your mind--this is your mind on drugs." I can see a healthy brain, and the one drawn by "R" - This is your mind - this is your mind after the "wind" has blown through!- for awhile, a big hollow nothing. There is healing in sharing.

G2G,


"JTR - I can just envision JZK as a big egg sitting on the Great Wall, for the fall is "indeed" coming!"

I have posted this before, but in case you have missed it, this is an appropriate link!

http://www.farm-to-finish.com/carved-eggs/jz_knight.htm

WaW! Who layed THAT? (Perhaps she actually IS a chicken - otherwise ought she not be speaking for herself instead of sending her puppets out and about?

"Life is meaningless, except for the meaning we put in it.

You have been given a gift. You have an obligation to be yourself.

No one has all the answers, no one ever had, and no one ever will.

There is no roadmap..your on your own.

Woman up, man up. Get busy, life is short."

Say this to yourself ten times before you go to bed each night.