Thanks for your thoughts watcha. Where was your similar post u mentioned?

I am an animal rights activist, so I have something to say about Ramtha's suggestion to model "animal's" behaviour also. Important point just made in the previous post that there are many, many species of animals including insects. Every animal has there own characteristics, instincts, and behaviours. One cannot group all animals together to assume that they all behave the same way like fleeing from an earthquake. Also, if we draw other behaviours from some animal species like killing and raping, then we have a model much less desirable to make our moral decisions from.

Many people who take the muscles from animals to eat as food assume it is morally acceptable to do so because other animals do it too, like lions. However, lions are also known to kill baby cubs sometimes or to rape. I do not recommend making your own moral decisions based on what other species of animals do for their survival. A lion has no choice about what they eat but we do. We can live successfully and healthfully without animal corpses or their secretions. I do not eat animals for the very same reasons I would never eat my dog or a child.

Animals
Sorry, I was thinking of squirrels saving nuts for the coming winter. I certainly didnt mean to imply anything more. Ill learn to be more clear next time!!

"The ultimate test, imo, is to transcend the need for Ramtha in one's life, and connect with ourselves, our lives, our loved ones (friends/family), nature, beauty, and richly live each moment, being the best person (with compassion and love toward life) that we can be. "

Beautifully and simply stated.

Ahh...

Some fresh air..
from the Garden of the Gods..

chuckle..

David

VP,

I don't know exactly where my posts are, along that line. I've posted that viewpoint more than a few times, though, over the last year or so. It just seems obvious to me, even when I was One Of Them, that we are all so "addicted" to Ramtha and what s/he said, rather than what we felt inside. We were told not to trust what we felt because it was just old chemical programming, which would lead us astray based only on past experiences. I struggled with the consensus viewpoint that "Ramtha knows what's best for you.", which was the rationalization to justify in their minds, the forms of abuse that go on there. I could not go along with that. I got into a somewhat heated conversation with a number of current students at an event, over that issue. It was a wine ceremony, after Ramthim-her verbally chastised quite a few people, even threatening some of the fat ladies that they'd be dead in six months from their obesity, etc., etc. Who the hell is JZ to talk about anyone else being overweight, anyway ? Nothing against fat people, but it's hypocritical for sure.

A student said to me, "Don't you believe your teacher knows what's best?"

I couldn't answer at that moment. A few hours later, those words still ringing in my ears, I realized...the answer was a resounding NO. I rather prefer my own choices - be they mistakes, or correct, as proven in their outcomes.

At least then, if I mess something up, it's a mistake I can be in ownership of, not the product of external influence upon my brain because I was too much of a wimp to make my own decisions in life and I had to do what Ramthim-her told me to do.

There is a woman in school (I assume she's still current), a long time student...who spent many years doing astrological readings. I listened to Ramthim-her criticize that woman's WORK, for years. Then, a few years ago, he screamed at her that she didn't listen to him and was still doing those readings. He told her if she did not stop, he was going to bring her down. Do you know - she stopped doing astrological readings...now how pathetic is that? If R tells people to get married and have kids...they usually follow suit. How archaic ??? Arranged marriages ??? STOP already ! This is how far gone students can be. I can't imagine marrying someone unless I loved them and wanted to be with them and vice versa. He talked about breaking up marriages because the woman or man should really be with a different partner ! For a while, I had some fear about that. No way in hell was he going to make that sort of decision for me.

Okay, I'm off of that tangent for now....

They are just all puppets on a Ramthim-her string...it's sad. Chasing carrots that dangle in front of them.

Hey Watcha,

Well thanks for writing it all again for me! Agree with everything u say. I am benefiting for the sake of personal healing by reading posts here. after my appetite for learning about the "other side" is satisfied, i'll move on. I stumbled across EMF when I did a google search for "Ramtha skeptics", thinking to myself "There must be some stuff available that disagrees". Had no idea that was a discussion board and support website for exiters. That's really great!

If your life is worth living, it's worth recording. I recommend you keep a copy of all you posts here by copying them onto microsoft word. That way u can also repost them when you get a similar question that requires an answer you've already gone into detail with before. I do this for my animal rights writing on the discussion forum at ISawEarthlings.com about a powerful movie. Writing on discussion boards that you connect with at the heart level is good for your soul and a bit like writing "Dear Diary" entries. I am never motivated to write in my diary because it's just one way. I keep my emails and posts as diary entries.

VP

VP, thank YOU for your suggestions.