I think that the one who post here that have Family member still in RSE have a lot to contribute to this site, and also are facing problems on there own.
I am sure by now that David and the moderators are working a solution to this problems.
it look like everyone are cooling off,that good

I agree with the above poster, "what just happened here?"

Divide and conquer.

Everyone has valuable input. Tree has made an enormous impact and her continuing to grow and become more than she is, is thought and word in action, with immense courage. I know how small Yelm is, and I cannot imagine living in such an environment after coming forward the way Tree did.

Marie, I apologize if I posted that which was personal to you. You are in a situation I imagine my family would have endured had I remained in RSE. If the moderators feel any posts are attacking others in nature, then by all means, remove them including mine.

I was a moderator on a message board on an online service. We had to determine which posts were related to the subject matter, and which posts were attacks on the people. The rule was, you could "discuss" the idea without attacking or vitriol toward the poster. If not, I removed it and the removed posts were not forever deleted, but were in a folder I could pull up anytime. I don't know if that is possible here, but those posting ought know the guidelines. The post by "Ryder" and the other were obviously attacking Tree. How does that help anyone?

I find it "enlightened" of the moderators to have kept the posts up, and lock it up. I posted in that thread.

I do agree some of us who are in recovery are in a much different place than those who have family involved. We have gone through the "Great Scam" and are trying to regain our footing, spirituality, individualism, along with dealing with other occurrences in our lives. We struggle with questions like (I, for one, after several family disasters) "how do I pray after RSE?" "Is faith to look within only, or is the higher source caring as well?"

So I ask anyone who feels all posts ought be allowed, of what value does Ryder's post have to those who are in recovery from RSE, and ask to try and place yourself in Tree's position - or any of us. Those who speak out with their identities have been "investigated" by "the lady in the big house" - and then to have to deal with posts obviously intended to stir trouble among this forum (thereby taking emphasis away from the real issues), - well, "divide and conquer" is alive and well.

Don't allow this to occur. If you feel you need to hear more, maybe talking or emailing Joe or an exit counselor who has been in a cult or dangerous group can offer more to you.

I know it's difficult to fully grasp what occurred without having been there. One of the Fireside series books that I found irritating was, "Crossing the River." I was surprised at "Ramtha's(TM) tone toward "his/her" people after I had read the White Book, which was so loving. Maybe watching some of the DVD's where "Ramtha(TM) slips in and out of accent and reprimands the people - would help. I do remember having one but will need to go through them---ugh, not easy - but it might help to demonstrate the "confusion" that occurs just within one afternoon.

Stand tall, stand firm. We all have more to offer than JZR, since we are speaking TRUTH and not asking for $$$, or instructing others to drink sea water or invest in "omega" scams. These are some of the real issues, not attacking one another here.

Let's wipe the smirks off of GS and MW's faces - you shall not pass. Go find another timeline, or web a chipmunk. (yes, he said he brought a dead chipmunk back to life-but who was there to see it?)

Hang tough - but with understanding. I'm trying to understand those who would post from an RSE computer such vitriol - and I just continue to see a huge



Marie, again, apologies. I can only say I know it's not easy. {Marie}
And Tree - your experiences and courage are invaluable. There is no one else who can do what you are doing. {Tree}

Peace out.

G2 -- thank you for your graciousness... No apologies needed, really, but kindly accepted... You spoke your opinion and I value your honest feelings...as I hope mine are as well...

As has been stated here before, communication between us all gets tricky sometimes, so much goes into the mix... most of it known only to ourselves... For me personally, it is an important part of who I am, that I am honest, or as honest as I can be, in my communications with other people... You don't know who you are if you can't be honest with yourself and others...I am not trying to step on others' toes or feelings as much as I am just being who I am... . Sometimes that gets me feedback I don't like.... .... But then, that's my responsibility to deal with, hopefully with graciousness as well....

tammy faye...

Since you started this dark humored thread..

Please tell us a little about your personal experiences and time in RSE?

I ask this because your posts are somewhat ambiguous to say the least!

David.

Tree - just wanted to say, don't let 'them' win! If you don't post here anymore they will have accomplished what they came here for: shutting you up. You are obviously a threat to the status quo at rse -and I mean that as a compliment. That said, I can only imagine how hard it is to be in your shoes right now and I can totally understand if you feel you need a break. I don't mean to put any pressure on you, just want you to know that you'll be missed.

I did not mean to be author of thread that brought out what is perceived as dark humor. Or worse, drag in ‘them vs. us’ thinking, a.k.a. ‘divide & conquer.’ Playing with an idea appears to have turned into matches; bursting into flames & all.

From sassiness to somberness. But did the light outshine the darkness? Was cooperation present? Were obstacles removed & understanding heightened thru discussion, re: emf purpose, moderation wisdom, needs of all members? did people say and do what needed to be? IMO, lively forum.

Ambiguous? I try to get us to laugh, get over ourselves a bit. (guess maybe not..) I have done my time as ‘ramster’, Spent maybe 8-9 thousand enlightenment dollars there. Although time has passed, nlp trigger sensitivity still surprises me occasionally. The physical nausea I felt after reading ryder/kosmos was a surprise. That’s the difference between having been there and being ‘related’ to the school thru another. And, I have learned to see the wisdom in moderator intervention.

So much for spoofs. No crying over spilt milk though

The internet can be a strange place. (The ranch IS a strange place)!

We don't hear vocal inflection. We only see the black words on the white screen - no grays within the words - and that can be a problem with anything. (unless a site allows changing colors, etc.)

I love sarcasm, and a dry sense of humour. The best we can do in the here and now is use those "emoticons." Tammy, your sense of humour has not gone unnoticed. (Although I initially didn't "get it" myself!)

Yes, the internet is a strange-and wonderful-"place." Interesting when one asks, "where does it exist?"

Off to my Monty Python DVD's.

G2G.....

nudge nudge wink wink...say no more ...say no more..

Have a wonderful weekend everyone....keep it light...and stay safe one and all..

spam...spam spam...spam...

A LOT!

This website is infiltrated at present. There are insincere postings from a number of "writers."

Under these conditions I am not interested in participating.

Christel - the "spam - a -lot" is in reference to a Broadway show about Monty Python. That's what I was referring to.

I believe the site is infiltrated with RSE's as well. The moderators, I'm sure, have a grasp on what's going on.

EMF WILL PREVAIL - TRUTH PREVAILS

Hi G2G, My comment had nothing to do with anything you wrote whatsoever as I know from your writings you are most sincere to the best of your ability as are many other posters.

I was referring to posts that are insincere as nonsensical such as the one that initiated this thread.

Tammy Faye stated at the biginning fo this thread that her heart is breaking and mascara is running everywhere. Whom do you know that wears a lot of mascara?

Could it be the best way to hide is to reveal yourself in plain view?

There are other nonsensical looking posts on this site that have double meanings.

Christel – its called double entendre, is a figure of speech similar to the pun, in which a spoken phrase can be understood in either of two ways. This can be as simple as a phrase which has two mutually exclusive meanings, and is thus a clever play on words.

And no, TF is not Judy-in-disguise w/diamonds. Sorry. The two are similar as religious corporation ‘babes’ proselytizing their version of gospel (teachings) and then all flagrant wealth & consumption. And of course, the serious mis-use of mascara. As a female figurehead of the Christian Right for so many years, she ended up in prison and now, dead. (will similarities continue?)

TF is a symbol of the craziness of Belief Systems, Inc. where people’s money is captured by high flyers that cast a net on the hopeful. Whether redemption, salvation or enlightenment, religion and spirituality is big business and always has been.

I looked back on posts from the first 6 months of 07 –, humor, puns, sarcasm, clever word plays – had me howling. And let me tell you, I needed to laugh then, as I went thru my ‘graduation’ One particularly hilarious post finally gave me the gumption to post, after months of peering in.

Given that speakers of ramthese take themselves SO seriously, ridicule seems a well targeted approach to ending flamer bull****. (1 flamer didn't like it.)

Double meanings express a quality of relating, accepting the multiple layers of understanding & the unfathomable which exist in world without walls. Rigorous disciplines, misguided breathing techniques, Mind on automatic – can make one ‘not see’ the playfulness of entendre, due to hardening of the ventricles. smile. Anyway, play on words, symbols, meaning truly not meant to be insincere, only to flame the flamers. BTW, I have always enjoyed your posts, and don’t want to make EMF feel unsafe. Sincerely, TF.

Tammy Faye posted, "I looked back on posts from the first 6 months of 07 –, humor, puns, sarcasm, clever word plays – had me howling. And let me tell you, I needed to laugh then, as I went thru my ‘graduation’ One particularly hilarious post finally gave me the gumption to post, after months of peering in."

I can relate to that. I've said it before...I read FACTNet for a long time, and made contacts with Real People via that forum - well before I ever started to post. Gee, now I can't be quiet ! LOL

THANK YOU for your clarification post, TF. I know it helped a number of people - maybe more than you realize.

Tammy Faye states it in Black and White who she really is:

"TF is a symbol of the craziness of Belief Systems, Inc. where people’s money is captured by high flyers that cast a net on the hopeful."

TM is a frequently used symbol that is indicative of the craziness of RSE. Tammy Faye (TF) states she is the symbol of the craziness. It can be easily concluded she is the one that uses the symbol for maximum advantage to the point its usage is CRAZY.

The rest speaks for itself. I have no delusions about the identity of Ms. Tammy Faye whatsoever.

Fanciful definitons more plainly put could be defined as speaking with a forked tongue.

The original Tammy Faye was the wife of a hugely popular tele-evangelist...who was massively disgraced and booted out of his own organization...did not know she was dead. Yeah, the mascara was very overdone. Always felt badly for her, that she was the primary victim of that 'church', and she was way more loveable than her husband, and sincere in her dupedness. I don't know who Christel thinks the current 'TF' is...

Christel,

Our ability to trust anyone or anything outside of RSE is a major hurdle in our recovery process,
Yet..
Building trust on EMF and in the “outside world” is vital in our recovery process.
It also doesn’t help that our social skills to handle even small disagreements without blowing them into a major conflict is also a result of Judith's RSE brainwashing.

Those pesky Infill traitors …
They will come and go on EMF, but they cannot succeed if our bridges of trust and truth are built stronger than the poison of the RSE betrayal.

David.

Christel, you have an issue with trust. You didn't trust me either and I know I am sincere and exactly who I claim to be. I believe the poster TF is also sincere. Everyone isn't a member of RSE out to infiltrate EMF.

I understand how difficult it is to trust when your trust has been so abused but you only harm yourself when you approach honest caring sincere people with feelings of distrust. Perhaps part of your healing process is to learn to trust again and not see Ramsters behind every post.

And no I haven't had direct experience of the lies and deception of RSE but I have had my trust in people severely tested so I can relate to your experience in that way.

This is a link on Tammy Faye Baker Messner - and a photograph - for those who might not be aware of her past history (it describes a bit of it.)

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20047652,00.html?xid=rss-topheadlines

I thought it might be helpful for those who are not in the US and might not be aware of exactly "TF" was, as well as the scandal back when.

So what can I say, Doll, that would convince you that I am not who you think I am?



My options today were:

1. do: nothing: always a good choice.

2. say: I’m bonafide: D knows who I am.

3. make: a new nomination for Handicap Poster Child of the Year, cause you are being judgmental, self-agitating. Fear IS interfering with the ability to analyze this stuf.

4. ask you to think about it: WHY would JZ compare herself to someone who went to prison for misconduct, while spewing rhetoric & getting rich? Who might actually have been your idol? (when destitute, abused & a fearful child?) And, then, call yourself a tramp? hummmmm...

So just for the record, I am not a flamer. I responded with sensitivity. I apologized if I made anyone feel unsafe. (Flamers don’t apologize.)

If the rse prez is reading, Tammy Faye hits home...causes a deep, involuntary shutter. TF was on Larry King the night before she died, all skin & bones, with big hair & mascara. YEA – who does that remind you of?

So maybe, hon, you sensed the closeness of the comparison & just got scared too. But some posts might not be for you. They may be for someone looking thru the looking glass...

I don't support pro RSE commentary and Tammy Faye has plainly written a statement to indicate she is the head of the RSE corporation.....without the diamonds of course.

I personally am unaware if JZ wears diamonds. I have never encountered it.

Clearly Ramtha does not write on the internet. So the statement that "TF is the symbol of RSE" can well be concluded to mean JZ Knight.

The negation that Tammy Faye is not JZ in fact just states it is not she with the diamonds. It does not state it is not she without them.

JZ is the entertainer of the ages and wears a very thick mask of pretentiouness. She lives a luxurious lifestyle on the purses of others.

Based on past performance do you think it is likely at some point JZ might infiltrate this website and if so what sort of job do you think she might do of it given her background of experience?

I have no interest in "trusting" people who's dialogue indicates they support criminal activities.

To save the tedium of the response that in fact there has not yet been sufficient evidence to convict Ms.Knight I will just say, "How long does it take to bring a criminal to justice and just how many people are going to ardently defend their belief system tied up with that criminal until conviction actually occurs?"

Christel-
Tammey Faye is posting with a great modicum
of innuendo and humor.
Sorry to think you think it is J Zed.
She would NEVER be so open.

Greg and Mike are her mouthpieces.
I am so sorry you miss the humor in all of this.

Christel you are way off the mark. Don't you understand Tammy Faye's humour? Take a step back and read again.

Christel - I actually don't think JZ is clever enough to manage to masquerade on this forum and not blow her own cover. How much credit are you giving her...? Plus, maybe she has learned some internet etiquette in the last few years but if anyone recalls, she used to make a point of spelling all her posts IN CAPS on the old rse forum. Even if she's dropped that very annoying habit, her way with words would be easy to pick. Hm, now I'm getting suspicious of TF's 'doll' reference...

You are obviously entitled to your opinion and suspicions but from this angle it does look like a bit of paranoia. Then again, in theory you may be right... who knows, we have been fooled before...

Christel,

I have met our mysterious poster "tammy faye".
I can assure you she is not an RSE infiltrator,
infact she has been very supportive of EMF.

David.

Tammy Faye Rocks!!!!!

Thanks for clearing that up David, I think I was starting to doubt my own arguments, lol!

My feel is that JRZ is so ticked off at this forum, she would in no manner be able to contain herself and would be exhibiting a hissy fit worthy of an academy award. Even if she posted after a teaquila or two, one would think she'd be even angrier.
I don't think she is typing - yet. She's either got MW or GS or some of the others she's recruiting to post the off-topic and attacking posts.

She's also probably spitting nails - the ones she chew off.

Just my opinion. One has to wonder if MW and GS are accurately feeding her the info as written, since GS has once before admitted not being honest with her since she had much to "deal with."

Does anyone think she'd be able to keep her cool, right here among us? Her pronunciation is off from what I'm accustomed to as well, and I'm willing to venture her spelling skills are not right on. I'm not saying she's stupid; obviously, she's quite intelligent - but is indeed emotional. Just my opinion again.

(maybe could float an iceburg down that way by focusing - just to cool off)


okay, apologies for the attempted humor.

JZ's spelling isn't stellar. Not a criticism, just stating what's been said, and seen. Curiously, Ramthimher also said s/he couldn't spell, so wouldn't write when doing a teaching via the white board.

However, having said that, if she wanted to post directly, she could always use a spell checker.

It appears that David has evidence that Tammy Faye is not JZ thus I apologize for unjust accusations as I have no interest in supporting any sort of injustice whatsoever.

There is also nothing that would surprise me about the lengths RSE would go to to protect their interests.

Thanks for the info G2G.... I have never heard of the other Tammy Faye thus what others perceive as humour is lost on me for that reason alone.

Christel - I was looking for a "skit" a long-running comedy show, "Saturday Night Live" did on the Tammy Faye/James Baker scandal, under their segments of "church chat" with "church lady"/comedian Dana Carvey. No disrespect to the now deceased Tammy Faye, but the skit was really humourous. The cast involved was Dana Carvey, Jan Hooks, and Phil Hartman, and Jan Hooks as "Tammy Faye" gushed mascara-tinted tears while they blamed "satan" for all that took place.

It's got to be online somewhere. I have it in my old SNL archives, but it's copyrighted so I can't youtube or googlevideo the thing. It would give you a perspective of the news of that day, and what the posting "Tammy Faye" is referring to.

It's so nice we can all communicate across the oceans - sometimes the events in our own countries and jokes in accordance just don't cross the seas with our intent. I remember calling someone from another culture, (didn't know their name) "Hey, Buddy?" and they were deeply offended, when I intended to be friendly.

Then I bought the book, "Don't touch the Monkeys."

Very informative! (for me)

(I know this is a bit off-topic, but in relation to explaining who the real-life Tammy Faye was, this is the Saturday Night Live skit I was searching for)

For those who haven't seen it, I finally found the old "Saturday Night Live" skit of the late Tammy Faye Baker Messner, with Dana Carvey in the skit, "Church Chat." It's a collection of skits online, begins with a Jimmy Swaggart impersonation, then Tammy Faye and James Baker (Jan Hooks and Phil Hartman) interviewed by Dana Carvey (as the "Church Lady." It begins at around marker 5:06 or so.
Tammy and her famous mascara and tears - may she rest in peace - or continue to evolve.

http://www.jibjab.com/player/main.swf?jid=171311

I know it is "off topic" but I just have to pass on this joke:

Question: Do you know where they found Jimmy Hoffa's body?

Answer:It was under Tammy Baker's makeup!

G2G - I used to watch SNL just to see Dana Carvey do all his skits, esp. 'Church Lady.' And to think he was able to have that sarcasm on national TV in the late 80s-90s? wow. Thanks for 'bringing it down from the Mind of God'- reinvented as a way of sharing context, understanding re: TF to our emfers around the globe.

And N - the Hoffa joke - too much, and very sick Americana humor. Quite enthno-centric - try explaining that one to Christel!