Thanks Tree
it ****** me off that someone would take good things and pollute them with thier agendas [the seamy underside of most spiritual guru types.]. I can see how being in there, 18 years, and being so intrenched, hooked you psychologically for a ride...I remember one retreat I worked as parking/garbage staff, in exhange for the fee...we had a job of loading these mountains [I mean 6 ft stacks she must have collected over the years] of catalogues from the carport behind the bullpen, to the dump...I realized just a little of how fanatic JZ was..I wondered if indeed she "gave up her life" to do the Ram...and I still wonder if shes jsut so taken over by WHATEVER the "school" is about, that theres no hope for reform unless the student body just abandons her, or this group causes legal trouble enough. I can even see why she wont ever let it go either, becasue its not hard to claim that the Ram does "more good than harm" in the world, acording to the stats anyway.
I intrepreted my "leaving" as a sign I got what I needed, and that "Ram" was not a localized energy, and would certainly blow in the wind with me on my way to the waterless, feared desert, where I wondered if Id die in the earth changes..which I didnt. How rediculous to think this area was "the safest"...yet, duh, I can see how alot of water around isnt a bad thing either...but I also had to work out alot of fear I had about leaving, and it took a few months of not listening to any tapes or anything Ramtha, just to feel what "my god" is like by itself. And I spoke to people using Ramtha ideas, but never saying "Ramtha said bla bla", becasue they were wisdoms that were also commonsense learnings, and it didnt matter where they came from, as long as applied, they helped out. I knew if I said ramthas name I wouldnt get listened to either. So it was wierd to come back here after 6 years away and hear these long time students still giving Ramtha all the credit for ideas. I asked one friend in the car one day if could she please tell me her experience without going "Ramtha said...", and she got offended becasue I guess she thought I didnt respect Him or something [gees, sounds like the Churchs god] ,..then after that every time we were in a dialogue I saw she tried leaving his name out for my sake...but soon, she distanced me anyway, as if I was some enemy of the teachings. And her kid in CSE, finding cards so easily, and her arrogance that he was such a good master...all this as if in a state of competition about everything....reptilian brain style...
And it appears the New Ramtha instigates people to these directions..I wonder why more old timers dont just get tired of the dogma and leave!!
I guess some peopel are more group oriented than I am, becasue I never felt like the school was "home" for me, nor did I at the Rainbow gatherings...same mind control feeling that you had to get intrenched in the group consciousness OR ELSE!!!
I wish I could have hung out at Lloyd Hopkins Mind Sight School. I met him once in Olympia. Im always glad to see regular humans doing big stuff.
Oh also, have you heard of Greta Woodrew??????
She wrote a book called "Memories of tomorrow"
I found her book in 1998 or so, and you just have to get it and read it, becasue that story of hers really made me see JZ was not telling the truth.
Thanks to many postings here I realize even more how JZ took stuff from others, and convinced the ignorant that she was number one. Like American Idol. Yuk!

Tree, and others. Is it a possibility to sue? I mean, you were made promises that couldn't be met. Could you take a group action? The things you are suffering now could be proven to be directly linked to the school, especially psychological damages. Any thoughts on that?

I only went to one beginners retreat and even I experience mild levels of anxiety when I hear the teachings or anything to do with Ramtha. My partner went to what he could afford and got every available cd. He talked about it everyday and did his disciplines, so for a fews years I lived the school through him. I hate it! There's an illogical, egotisistical, stupid answer to justify everything -any question and any scientific objection. The school hijacked his mind. Results: his already heavy ego expanded to planetary proportions! We divorced.