Re: 'For Mike Wright to even imply that RSE is unknowing about the status of many, many illegal aliens as students there, is untruthful.'

Within the past 12 months, there WERE undocumented, illegal aliens employed, one at RSE and one at CSE and Mike Wright knew about it. Last fall, all employees at these organizations were scrutinized for legal status. Two women were found to be aliens without green cards, thus illegal and undocumented. They were dismissed from their positions immediately (same day, I believe.) As JZ's organizational mouthpiece, Mr. Wright was in charge of supervising the accomplishment of this 'house cleaning.'

The 2 are still in the area, not at all pleased with their treatment. But how can they come forward? still illegal.

yes, 'eyeswideopen' I've been directing as many people as I can, to this fourm. Especially when I come across a site (or group fourm) that's talking about 'what the bleep.' I would carefully ask them to seek another POV before going deeper down that rabbit hole.

oh...and I forgot...the same week NVN made the story about the upcoming LARSE meeting, I wrote a letter to the editor:

http://yelmonline.com/main.asp?Top=1&SectionID=27&SubSectionID=62&ArticleID=2902&TM=40582.45

I got the information about Jean Marie handing out Ramtha paraphenalia on Bettye Johnson's e-mail list.
Bettye has now unsubscribed me.
awwww.....

and....the reason why a Ramster followed me around town was, not to contend the rape thing, but to ask me why I was writing letters to the editor about
"Billy's mother".
wow.
Just write a letter to the editor you Ramsters.
Go ahead.
Let the stupidity flow against "all those Christians".
I hope the Christian community really makes a rally against such prejudice.

It reminds me of years ago when students were told,

"Only the TRUTH can cause such (reactions)...

remember?

if you read the letters to the editors you can read 2 [whini]responses how bad jz knight got treated from the paper.no statment from rse nothing.i think the paper is balanced enough.giving steve hanley imidied respons oportunity.anybody know what' move on in your live' means from a ramster?does it mean not state your opinion?glorivy rse or be stuck in your live?

"move on in your life" - means for her or anyone to forget about her/their rape - forget about her past - create a new "neuronet" in her mind of a new "mind neighborhood" where the rape NEVER occurred.

It's not the way humans deal with trauma. I'm thinking, and I was one of them, the RSE students have had "mind transplants" - Battlestar Galactica Cylons have more compassion. Tree courageously stepped up and spoke out, unlike the RSE-errors who hid behind the false words and false blonde god.

Very sad for any woman who has been raped or abused.

my understanding of "moving on" from a ramster, was that we should shut up and go away in silence, instead of talking openly about our experiences, questions, doubts, criticisms.

at the time of the first larse gathering, some staff were saying just that. telling us we didn't need to "start" all of this commotion. that we should just decide the school isn't for us and "move on".

nope.

they don't define "moving on" for us - we define it for ourselves. moving on means getting our personal lives back on track as best we're each able to do so, and to speak the truth about our past experiences. not cover it up and hide it. or live in fear that the big kahuna is gonna git us.

when some of the first newspaper articles came out, in the nvn, about the first larse gatherings, the staff commented that we should not have had a front page article (who are they to decide that?). also, that we should have gone to rse with our concerns, instead of going public with such as the larse gathering.

when i heard that, i laughed so hard ! no way do they want to hear criticism of rse !!!!!!! they simply tell you "you created it", and that you're a victim, change your timeline, etc.

the larse gatherings, 1 and 2, were long overdue. their time has come.

Does anyone know, just exactly 'who' is currently considered to be staff? Has there indeed been a falling away of the comrades in past few months or year(s)? Or perhaps stated differently, who, after all this time, is still on the staff, red guard or comrades?

The comrades were disbanded a few years ago, when Ramthim-her announced that they were slackers who didn't perform up to the standard he expected them to.

Question: Why didn't Ramthim-her know in advance that they wouldn't measure up ? Why did he create that reality ??

Why did the comrades create that reality instead of creating that they were Gods Realized ?? Their focus wasn't good enough, eh ?

I'm not talking about the TRAPPINGS of psychic development, either. Reading cards, doing remote view...big deal. Those are trappings that can feed one's ego, but they don't better humanity. Show me someone who can ascend from flesh into spirit, right in front of our eyes. And back again. Heal the dead - the sick. Move a mountain. Manifest food and money and eradicate poverty, starvation, rape, murder, WAR, pollution, tsunamis, Columbines, drunk driver murders, kidnappings, etc. Eliminate those things. Then, you will have my attention.

Nisqually Valley News, Friday, November 2, 2007

By Megan Hansen.

Ex-students take on Ramtha school.

A public gathering of former Ramtha School of Enlightenment students drew nearly a hundred people to Yelm Middle School Saturday.
The topic was cults, and speakers included former RSE students who formed a support group called "Life After RSE," a cult exit specialist and a Lacey pastor.
A representative of RSE was also granted time behind the micro¬phone to rebut allegations made against the school and refute assertions that the school is a "cult."
Through her representatives, RSE channeler JZ Knight herself has said she has grown weary of being called a leader of a destructive cult by people who are motivated by malice or the desire to make money.
FORMER RSE student David McCarthy, an organizer of the forum, gave his account of 'Ramtha-land," as he calls it.
In 1989, when McCarthy joined he school, he said he was told one of the people in his group would become a Christ and that he would achieve enlightenment and learn the meaning of life.
"I was in a place in my life where I was panicked and in a lot of pain," McCarthy said. "I was told miracles were happening here, extraordinary things were happening."
"People were being healed of cancers and could manifest some-something out of nothing."
"I found it very difficult to express the truth for a very long time," McCarthy said.

Using the analogy of the canary in a coal mine, in which coal miners brought the bird down into the shaft with them in order to determine if air was running out, McCarthy said, "The canary died in me."
"It represented my conscience”.
MCCARTHY SAID his biggest concern, and the primary reason for organizing Saturday's meeting, is people's health, and addressing the idea they can heal themselves.
"I've had a friend die in my arms and say he's going to Ramtha," McCarthy said. "I asked him, 'why didn't you go to Ramtha to heal you?'"
"He said he did. Ramtha said, 'I'm not ready.'"
McCarthy also talked about a woman named who was dying of cancer, but wouldn't seek treatment because it was against the teachings of the school.
"I've had friends die looking for Ramtha," McCarthy said. "I see too many people die looking for a miracle that doesn't exist." "It's suicide."
AUDIENCE MEMBER Kevin McManus, a student of the Ramtha School of Enlightenment,lashes out against meeting organizer David McCarthy.shouted angrily at McCarthy from the second row.
"What's your point?"
| McManus asked. "What would you like to do about it? Remove JZ?"
"You can't take away our First Amendment right to practice our religion freely."
McCarthy responded with questions directed toward McManus and other RSE stu¬dents.
"Why don't you go heal (Julie’s) cancer?" McCarthy
| asked.
"Show us.""What are you masterful at?" McCarthy then asked. "When she dies, what are you going to say? She's dancing with Ramtha?"


On whether RSE is a school or a religion, students and RSE marketing managers Greg Simmons and Mike Wright said that RSE runs a curriculum based on science.
"The school looks at divine aspect potential," Wright said. "We focus on the intangible."
"Some see it as a religious position."

Yelm has cults, 'but RSE isn’t one of them'

SIMMONS, WHO is also a teacher at RSE, was granted five minutes to address the audience Saturday.
"I estimate 50,000 to 75,000 students have come through the school,
" Simmons said. "I am encouraged by how few students seem to be dissatisfied."
"Would we love the school to be what everyone wants it to be? Yes."
To the assertions that RSE is a cult, and JZ Knight its leader, Simmons said that's not the case.
"Priests and believers preying on people, people burning in hell," Simmons said. "That is insidious — that is in Yelm, in the Catholic Church."
"So do we have cults in our neighborhood? I think so, but RSE isn't one of them."
On Monday, Simmons clarified his comments during Saturday's meeting.
"If you want to talk about organizations doing harm to society there's no need to look further than the Catholic Church."
"Talk about a disturbing organization."
Simmons also noted examples from other religious organizations.
"You're going to burn in hell — what kind of pep talk is that?"
LOS ANGELES resident Robert Menna, whose daughter is a former RSE student, talked Saturday about how the school affected their relation¬ship.
"When she actually left (to attend RSE) was my awakening," Menna said. "She was insulated so she couldn't respond."
When Menna and his daughter, Alexandra, came to Yelm in 1992, she was 16 and couldn't attend classes. However, she tried to sign up, but couldn't without her father's permission.
When Alexandra was 17 and still determined to enroll at RSE, Menna said she was placed in involuntary cult exit counseling with Szimhart.
She was held in a house for three days for "deprogram¬ming."
Menna said that didn't prove effective and only increased the gap between her and her father.
"It was like being violated, a caged animal," Alexandra Menna said. "He had tricked me, deceived me."
"It was a violation of trust."
Alexandra Menna attended RSE for eight years. It took her three years after the attempted deprogramming to contact her father.
"I decided instead of being the person who was going to take her out of school, I decided I was just going to be her father," Menna said.
Alexandra invited her father to an event, free of charge, to see what she was involved with.
Robert Menna accepted, on the condition he could ask questions.

During the event, Robert Menna was told that students were healing broken bones and teeth, and that there was documentation to prove it.
"I asked to see the documents, and was told I could," he said.
After months of getting the runaround from RSE's administration, Menna said he gave up.
"I'm never going to get information because it doesn't exist," Robert Menna said.
"It's a con, you end up with your pockets empty."
Menna's lack of response from the school also proved to be an eye opener for his daughter.
"THESE THINGS happened," Alexandra Menna said. "I knew the woman who regrew her teeth."
During the time that Robert Menna was pursuing the evidence of healing at the school, Alexandra said she received a telephone call from a former boyfriend.
The boyfriend told her JZ Knight was worried about her, and thought that her father was trying to destroy the school.
Knight, the boyfriend told her, also thought Menna was an undercover reporter who was writing a book.
"This was absurd to me," Alexandra said.
"I knew my father."
Another turning point for Alexandra came when she and her husband decided to pay their rent rather than attend an RSE event.
"It's more important to live the teaching than be at the event," Alexandra said.
After skipping an event, she said it was as if a weight was lifted off her shoulders.
And following the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Alexandra said she was absolutely shocked to see how students at RSE reacted.
"There was no sense of compassion or realism," she said. "There's something really wrong with that."
"I started to realize that one of the reasons people can't feel compassion is that it hurts."
CHRIS KING, an on- again, off-again student at RSE since 1989, spoke from the audience about his experience at the school.
"I learned how to practically save myself from addiction," King said. "He (Ramtha) gave me the tools to use to be successful." King, a former deacon of a Pentecostal church in the south, contradicted Alexandra Menna's account of not seeing any compassion among students after Sept. 11.
"I have experienced more compassion here," King said. "I got more out of that than anything."
"Love each other, care about each other," he said.
"That's what he (Ramtha) told us to do."
SZIMHART SAID he has
counseled about two dozen ex-RSE students and continues to work with former students when he can.
"Cult is a neutral term," Szimhart said. It is an intense form of devotion to a person or object.
Szimhart showed footage from 1990-91 of a woman who was part of a doomsday cult known as "Circle of Friends." That group was led by George Jurckek, a Hungarian who ulti¬mately was sent to jail for four years for loan fraud
Jurckek had directed group members to apply for state-guaranteed education loans, money not spent on education.
Szimhart said that there were two types of cults — one being benign and the other being totalist, or self sealing.
Totalist cults are considered the more dangerous of the two because members can't grow within the group.
It's hard for them to leave and they can never quite get the magical powers or healing promised to them.
LACEY PASTOR Jeff Adams, who leads Bible study in the Yelm area and is looking at starting a church here, spoke of help and hope being offered to former RSE students.
"Relax, I'm not here to preach," Adams said.
"I'm not a master of anyone or anything. I'm just a ser¬vant."
The community has this "as long as they're not bothering me, I'll leave them alone" mentality, Adams said.
"The community must recognize screams for help."
"I can't simply stand by and let people be hurt," Adams said. "Brainwashed and con¬trolled people."
"Highly intelligent and decent people find themselves hurting and searching for something."
"My primary goal is not to destroy RSE, but undo the damage," Adams said.
"I'm an advocate for healthy community in Yelm."

Nisqually Valley News

link.. http://yelmonline.com/

Thank you Megan Hansen,
Nisqually Valley News.

David.

Ex-student claims she was raped.
'Red Guard' head says encounter was totally consensual.

By Megan Hansen

Nisqually Valley News.
Friday, November 2, 2007.

One woman's claim during Saturday's public meeting that she was raped by a Ramtha School of Enlightenment em­ployee prompted a quick re­sponse from the school.

Karri Konga, who attended RSE for 19 years, took the stage at Yelm Middle School as a speaker and claimed that she was raped after a wine ceremony in 1997. The alleged rape resulted in a pregnancy that she later terminated, Konga said.

Konga did not name the alleged rapist. In a posting on an online support community for former students, however, she has described in detail what she said happened, and claims her assailant was a member of the "Red Guard," a security force at RSE events charged with keeping women and chil­dren safe.

"It took everything I had to get up and speak," Konga said after speaking to the audience. "I almost ran out when I saw all the RSE employees." It has only been five months since Konga left RSE, but she said she is constantly reminded of Ramtha and the teachings.

"Feeling the wind on my face reminds me of Ramtha," Konga said. "I was always told 'I am Ramtha, lord of the wind.'"

Though she didn't name the alleged rapist, the man she accused issued a statement to the Nisqually Valley News Monday via e-mail.

Steve Handlan, leader of the Red Guard, said in a written statement that he did have sex with Konga in 1997, but main­tains it was consensual. "Looking back, I know it was an inappropriate time and place for such activities, despite the fact that it was after hours and consensual between us," he wrote.

RSE property manager James Flick said the school was not aware of the alleged incident until recently, and when they got wind of it, Flick sat down and talked to Handlan and others who had heard about it.

However, since the school sees it as a consensual act and it happened ten years ago, there wasn't really anything we could do, Flick said. "We don't condone any acts like that on the ranch at all."

On Saturday, Konga said she is a lesbian who had never had sex with a man before the alleged rape, and never wanted to.

In his written statement, . Handlan disputes that claim.
After they had sex, Handlan said, "I later learned from anoth­er individual that Karri had told her on Saturday morning that, although she had been a lesbian all her life, she had been curious about what sex with a man was like, and that was why she had done it the night before."

In response, Konga said Monday that Handlan's version of events is untrue.

Deirdre Marshall, a current student, contacted the Nisqually Valley News on Monday at Handlan's request to corroborate his story.

"The following morning (Konga) came up to me and said she spent the night with Steve Handlan," the woman said. "I asked if they had sex and she said, 'yes-'"

"I was surprised because she was a lesbian."

Konga said the conversation with Marshall never happened — that she never spoke with anyone about the incident—and that she was surprised to learn about Marshall's statement.

The two women used to be friends, Konga said.

"They all still belong to that group, so they're going to band together," Konga said.

It wasn't until March of this year, after leaving the group, that Konga said she really under­stood that she was raped.

"At that time, I didn't realize it was rape," Konga said. "I was told I created this on the plane of bliss."

Konga and RSE said they contacted the Thurston County Sheriff’s office report the allegations, but the statute of limitations has run out.

A wine ceremony, according I to some former students, is a sacred ceremony in which par­ticipants drink several glasses of wine at a time and get increas­ingly drunk. The objective is to open one's mind.

Jaime Leal-Anaya, historian and research writer for RSE said wine ceremonies date back to Greek mystery schools, as well as the Christian Eucharist.

"At RSE, Ramtha would lead the participants in a toast or prayer of intent. Usually, one or two toasts were done at the beginning of a teaching," Leal-Anaya said. "Participation with wine was always voluntary."

"Yes, some people used wine ceremonies as an excuse to get drunk. They missed the point and did not participate in the teachings being presented.


Nisqually Valley News.

link.. http://yelmonline.com/

Greg Simmons' remarks about Catholics - how does that go over with the non-RSE Christians in Yelm?! He's not only blindfolded, but is gagging on his own foot stuck inside of his mouth. Why single out only one aspect of Christianity? We have fundamentalist Christian views which have become so involved in politics here - that what is the litmus test for a supreme court justice nominee during the past 8-12 years?

I think LARSE should give Greg the microphone more often, for it exposes the truth within him - and that right now, doesn't appear to be a very "loving" picture.
(was Mike wearing his blue and white hair/"neuronets?")

One other thing I feel ought be brought to attention - the fact that "R" claims to be the "Great Ram of the Hindis people" - expose this to the entire country of India, Nepal (which is a "Hindu kingdom," and all Hindu/Jain/Sikh temples throughout the US, at least. Maybe we should begin emailing the New Delhi Times!

Just my opinions.

The NVNews reported, "Jaime Leal-Anaya, historian and research writer for RSE said wine ceremonies date back to Greek mystery schools, as well as the Christian Eucharist.

"At RSE, Ramtha would lead the participants in a toast or prayer of intent. Usually, one or two toasts were done at the beginning of a teaching," Leal-Anaya said. "Participation with wine was always voluntary."

"Yes, some people used wine ceremonies as an excuse to get drunk. They missed the point and did not participate in the teachings being presented."

I disagree that this is a truthful statement coming from RSE.

STudents were TOLD they HAD TO drink (or leave) as much wine as Ramtha said they must. It usually was 1 - 2 BOTTLES, whereby each student's "partner" had to view the cups of one another.

How far back wine ceremonies date, is irrelevant to the abuse of drinking, to the point of total drunkeness, vomiting, fights, orgies, was ongoing at RSE.

For once, can those mouthpieces for RSE tell the WHOLE truth !???

Oh my. I had no idea that they were encouraged to drink that much wine. However, I can see the alcohol dependency in my realtive whom I a trying to help. Also in her so-called common-law husband. Naturally alcohol can create a temporary euphoria but side effects can be devastating.

As a matter of fact, it was common practice at the beginning of wine ceremonies for the staff to pass out large, plastic VOMIT bags to each student. Hello?

Does that sound like a glass or two of wine with the Big GuyGal ? NOT.

They were pressured greatly, into drinking at least 1 - 2 BOTTLES of wine for each wine ceremony, as common practice.

There were even some children drinking it, and some who even smoked.

A Letter to the Editor of the NVNews stating these things as a rebuttal to the untruths told, would be in order.

I can relate to Angrydaughter's post as I suppose I am also an angry relative. As I learn more about what actually happens at this so-called ranch I begin to understand why many of these posts are so emotionally charged. I have to hold myself back from going on a rant about the Ramtha hypocrisy and this business about the wine and the vommit bags merely builds upon the madness.

1) I was very very angry when the reporter from the NVN had told me Steve Handlan had written to the NVN and finally, for the first time, admitted to the "incident."
and from Steve's view, RSE then took up the same view: it was consensual and over ten years ago. No biggie.
2) the Ranch then dug up a former single mother friend of mine, who I had confided to during the time I found out I was pregnant and was thoroughly distraught about the whole situation.
(She was the one who coached me that I had "created this whole thing on the Plane of Bliss.")
For RSE to get her to write to the NVN that I welcomed the whole idea and I had been thinking and planning it and totally loved it was BEYOND my scope imagination.
Talk about betrayal!!!!
And this was a "friend".
3) Yes, many posts are emotionally charged because what comes out of RSE's mouthpieces are highly minimized snipets of what they call "truth".
Field work might be just an afternoon stroll, in the eyes of RSE, but how about 12 forced hours on the field??? For 1000 people.
A simple "wine ceremony"...is simply not just sipping wine and listening to some "god realized". It is 1-2 bottles, and that after several years of this, produces a group of alcoholics.
A day in the tank is minized to " a great initiation", when in reality, between 5-10 hours, through a forest, through nests of ants, hornets, mud to your shin high,broken legs, without water....
I think you can start to see the disparity of what really goes on vs what is publicized by RSE.
and these are just 3 examples.

ps.
in regards to that fromer single mother friend of mine.
She is an uncodumented illegal alien
(she never had enough money to get a green card) living in US gov't sponsored housing.
Now how is THAT for a reputable source?