Re: Is X used at RSE?

"Saxim: You leave yourself WIDE open to criticism by posting the truth as you see it here. I think you are trying to give an honest appraisal of your RSE experience and appreciate your effort--I'm serious.

Consider this: I used to work as an art instructor inside a maximum security penitentiary in New Mexico in the late 1970s. Some of what you describe is the same attitude prisoner criminals have---don't snitch, rules are made to be broken, we are our own gods, if you get caught then you deserve it...."

Not only prisoner criminals, but law enforcement too. Have you seen all the various Taser videos lately? How about the cops that take steriods? Oh yeah, what about the athletes? The cops get videoed beating up people, using a Taser on people displaying no deadly force, but say it is our training policy. Any truth can withstand criticism. Thank you.

"Any truth can withstand criticism."

well said....but can any person that believes he is telling the truth?

Saxim writes: "Why would Ramtha continue to waste his time chatising children/adults? He has made it quite clear his stance on this issue. Why waste our retreat time, continuing to lambast stupid students. They are Gods and can do what they want even if Ramtha says not to do it. There is no authority to stop a student from using his/her own free will. "

Let's see, where shall we begin? Good ol' "R" states: "I will take you down if you leave your cards here," "I will take you down if you (fill in the blank). For those still caught in the mindtrap, this IS the "authority." Get it?

I have a question for you. Why did you manifest us in YOUR timeline? If you don't like it, simply change it. It's that easy. Why, even preparing for an event is senseless, since all you need do is "create your own event." I'm sure you're aware of this; I just wonder why so many students feel the need to stop at Safeway, when all they need do is "create their reality." In that light, we don't exist for you, right? Yet you seem to believe we are in your reality-so therefore, YOU created it.

Hi Saxim,

You said: "People will always do whatever they want, no matter what the rules are. As it has been said, rules are made to be broken and some people make sure they do break the rules."

As an "old-timer" former RSE student, I remember when "R" used to compare RSE to the ancient schools of wisdom or ancient mystery schools. Has it ever occurred to you that in those ancient schools (in my understanding), initiates only advanced from level to level by demonstrating their mastery of the material? Similarly, many native cultures around the world have required members to pass a series of initiations before they are given the rights and privileges that come with the level of expertise they have demonstrated. Whereas at RSE, all it takes to be able to attend the next required event is to buy your way in (or if you can't pay, maybe you can clean the toilets).

Also, has it ever occurred to you that a true wisdom school would expel students who demonstrated the "rules are meant to be broken" attitude you describe? Take the subject of this thread--drug use among RSE students. Can an RSE student do all their daily disciplines effectively when under the influence of X? If RSE students truly believe Ramtha is an enlightened being, why would students ignore him when he says not to take drugs? And more to the point, why would Ramtha tolerate "anything goes" if RSE is supposed to be as close as possible to the ancient mystery schools?

If money--not demonstrated understanding of the teachings or mastery of certain skills--is the only requirement to keep attending events at RSE, then is RSE truly the "Great Work" it is said to be, or is it primarily a money-making enterprise?

Ironic and interesting that David M and his "inner circle" are proponents of X, MDMA and other hallucinogens, routinely taking "journeys" with such substances.

The fact that students in "the organization" (as DM and his inner circle like to call it) were into X, despite the teachings against such drugs, is being used as another straw man to kick down when in reality it has zero (zilch, nada) to do with the school, and everything to do with the personal choices of individuals.

Congratulations on continuing to be a gigantic hypocrite, David.

Sort_Of_Ironic,

Yes..

I took MDMA after having it introduced to me by RSE “students” they called it David Hudson’s "White Powder Gold" this was in 1997. Ecstasy “MDMA” I always became weak and sick afterwards.
Yet..
I remember a Shaman visiting Yelm back in 1998 who conducted several Ayahuasca ceremonies within the RSE community …. I was not invited.
That.. did awaken in me an interest in the natural Shamanic medicines of South America,
Such as Ayahuasca,

So now you are calling me a drug taker?

Sort_Of_Ironic,
Have you taken any form of drugs during while a “current” member of RSE?

David.

I wasn't at issue, who did or did not take drugs. The question was, was that fostered or advocated at the ranch...the general consensus was, no. So why would you draw further attention to those who did or do take drugs? They were not the target of the question.

P.S.
Sort_Of_Ironic

You stated...

The fact that students in "the organization" (as DM and his inner circle like to call it).........

I have never heard of "the organization" before now,
but from what I now understand... there were many "secret" groups within the Yelm RSE community,
Perhaps you best ask them what "the organization" was about?.

I am sure they will welcome your inquiries!

Back to the topic thread.
"Is X used at RSE?"

While organizing the music for Judith's RSE birthday celebration around 1998 at the ranch, there were certainly individuals taking MDMA, it was their personal choice, and as far as I know...
was not promoted by RSE.

David.