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1. You will never get the product [enlightenment] you are paying for.
Forgetting the mind numbing spin of the Ramtha org. that insists they promise "nothing" and they don't guarantee enlightenment. Forget that sophistic crap for just a moment.
There is not a business on the planet that doesn't IMPLICITLY promise something just by existing. All those disclaimers are simply given in business to avoid liability.
And remember, by Ms. Knight's own declaration this is a business.
Did you or anyone you know move to Ye lm, spend thousands of dollars, upend their lives to get NOTHING?
No. The product JZ is selling is enlightenment and she cannot deliver it.
If you did "get it" the show would be over and JZK inc, would be out of a job/purpose.
You will never get it by doing what she tells you. You can't be obedient and free at the same time. It is like trying to go east and west at simultaneously.
You will never ever become "enlightened" being a slave.
Insert here the predictable ramster disclaimers of how JZ/Ramtha have told people "don't follow me" or "anyone who wants to leave can at anytime " etc. etc. blah blah blah..
The implication of course is that by leaving you give up the keys to universal wisdom and god power.
"But go ahead, you are free to leave" Right, Bullsh**
Forget the doublespeak and look at the dynamic. Do the people at the RSE function as individual agents in pursuit of knowledge or do they function as followers.
Are they students or slaves?
Students learn and integrate what they learn into their existing body of knowledge and experience taking what they want and discarding what they don't want.
Slaves hang on every word and take no responsibility for sifting it out or testing it The fact that their master said it is enough for them. If the Teacher says, drink the kool-aid they do it. Period.
Slaves try to make what the teacher says work.
Students test and experiment with what the teacher says, allowing for the possibility there is a greater knowledge or truth that will replace what the teacher is teaching.
Their self trust is replaced by trust in a teacher/authority. You cannot follow JZ/Ramtha and be your own authority.
This is not permitted.
The thing about followers: They can't see where they are headed as long as they follow another person. As soon as you step outside of the line of followers, and move a bit to the side, you can see if you are being led on a path or off a cliff.
Step outside the line and look at where you are being led.
Don't believe me when I tell you its a cliff. Look for yourself and think about where this is headed.
"Todays reason to stop giving JZ Knight your money "
how about a "DM's top ten list of why NOT
to be a participant at RSE"- sorta like
David Letterman's nightly top ten..
"No. The product JZ is selling is enlightenment and she cannot deliver it.
If you did "get it" the show would be over and JZK inc, would be out of a job/purpose."
This observation is very very good. It never occured me.
This definition actually uses the terms "black and white"
Borderline Personality Disorder (DSM-IV Personality Disorders 301.83 ) (BPD) is defined as a personality disorder primarily characterized by emotional dysregulation, extreme "black and white" thinking, or "splitting", and chaotic relationships. The general profile of the disorder also typically includes a pervasive instability in mood, interpersonal relationships, self-image, identity, and behavior, as well as a disturbance in the individual's sense of self. In extreme cases, this disturbance in the sense of self can lead to periods of dissociation.
The disturbances suffered by those with borderline personality disorder have a wide-ranging and pervasive negative impact on many or all of the psychosocial facets of life, including ability to hold down a job and relationships in work, home, and social settings. Comorbidity is common; borderline personality disorder frequently occurring with substance use disorders and mood disorders. Attempted suicide and completed suicide are possible outcomes without proper care and effective therapy.
Maybe that is the real reason she was called zebra - aka black and white.... mmmmmmmm, the plot thinkens........
Wow, does this not describe jz or what???????
Researchers commonly believe that BPD results from a combination that can involve a traumatic childhood, a vulnerable temperament, and stressful maturational events during adolescence or adulthood. Otto Kernberg formulated the theory of Borderline Personality based on a premise of failure to develop in childhood. There are, according to Kernberg, 3 developmental tasks an individual must accomplish, and, when one fails to accomplish a certain developmental task, this often corresponds with an increased risk in developing certain psychopathologies. Failing the first developmental task of psychic clarification of self and other, can result in an increased risk to develop varieties of psychosis. Not accomplishing the second task, overcoming splitting, results in an increased risk to develop a borderline personality.
Childhood abuse, trauma or neglect
Numerous studies have shown a strong correlation between childhood abuse and development of BPD. Many individuals with BPD report having had a history of abuse, neglect, or separation as young children. Patients with BPD have been found to be significantly more likely to report having been verbally, emotionally, physically, and sexually abused by caretakers of either gender. They were also much more likely to report having caretakers (of both genders) deny the validity of their thoughts and feelings. They were also reported to have failed to provide needed protection, and neglected their child's physical care. Parents (of both sexes) were typically reported to have withdrawn from the child emotionally, and to have treated the child inconsistently. Additionally, women with BPD who reported a previous history of neglect by a female caretaker and abuse by a male caretaker were consequently at significantly higher risk for being sexually abused by a noncaretaker (not a parent). These are also the same risk factors for reactive attachment disorder and it has been suggested that children who experience chronic early maltreatment and Reactive Attachment Disorder go on to develop a variety of personality disorders, including Borderline Personality Disorder. Many of these children are violent and aggressive and as adults are at risk of developing a variety of psychological problems such as borderline personality disorder.
According to Joel Paris, "Some researchers, like Judith Herman, believe that BPD is a name given to a particular manifestation of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD): in Trauma and Recovery, she theorizes that when PTSD takes a form that emphasizes heavily its elements of identity and relationship disturbance, it gets called BPD; when the somatic (body) elements are emphasized, it gets called hysteria, and when the dissociative/deformation of consciousness elements are the focus, it gets called DID/MPD"
Todays reason is,
save your $'s because you could go to Vegas (probably with a friend), stay in a comfortable suite for a few days, go to a real magic show where you know you are going to get some great illusions and even have a couple of hundred left over to gamble a bit and you might just get lucky and win what you spent!
Think of the possibilities.........
I really feel bad for her - too bad she turned into a tyrant - it is terrible when awful things happen to really young children - she really is a danger to the community and to herself......jz, if you are reading this, you really ought to seek proffesional help instead of hiding behind spirituality and religion and pucking up people's minds and lives.