DiscernmentNow recommended YouTube sites re
Derren Brown NLP
Derren brown voodoo
derren brown the secret of hannibal lecter
derren brown messiah psychic clip
derren brown subliminal advertising
derren brown russian scam
russian scam explained

Probably a good explanation of how Ramtha works, at least partially....
Thanks Discernment

You are so welcome.

I find I am almost addicted to watching Derren Brown- there are TONS more to see and it really helps!

Happy Healing!

the one that is titled:
Trains and Thoughts is what reall got me.
wow.
yes.
Thank you.

Brothers and Sisters-
Here is a lengthy list of MORE Derren Brown... he apparently has a show in England... and a website.

These clips are anywhere from 40 seconds to 10 minutes in length.

there is one called living dead, and another "broken glass stunt- in which he stops his heart beat and walks accross broken glass and then lays his face on the broken glass and is not cut. It reminded me of Tony Robbins... and the fire walks. I was reminded that one of the big wigs at R;s school trained with Tony Robbins. HMMM

Oh, the one about Hanibal Lector Darren mentioned that in seclusion, one is very suggestable. I am wondering if being blindfolded for long periods of time qualifies as seclusion? We are all together, but also very alone.

I have seen most, but not all of these: Most have Darren Brown at the beginning title. Some clips help me put pieces together, others are just entertaining, but mostly it shows me that mind control is not only possible, but part of our every day life. I went shopping today, and wondered, if I really had control of my wallet.

I also remembered Steve Klein made a comment about a movie called the 13th floor. I rented it, and WOW programs within programs... puts quite a spin on things.

Here is an extensive list.

Derren brown winning at black jack
Phantom feeling- (This reminded me of remote viewing)
Messiah psychic clip --- sending and receiving
The invisible man
“ “ photographic memory
“ “ zombie
at the dog track & dog track explained
subliminal suggestions
subliminal influence
Memory loss
Mind reading
Mental conducting
Mind control clips 1, 2
Mind control
D B plays russian roulette part 1 & 2
Deductive reasoning
The gathering hypnosis scenes
DB does rainman
Trick of the mind
Now that’s what I call magic
Amazing movement prediction
DB staring competition
Dowsing
Oil and water
3 card routine
casino
invisible touch
broken glass stunt
person swap (several)
Pick pocket
Robbie Williams trick of the mind (really freaky)
Telepathy
How to control people’s bodies
Messiah psychic clip
Messiah alien clip
No joke
Mind tricks by derren brown
D b clip
Chocolate rolls
Mind Magic-live special
Photo booth hypnosis
Mind magic 3 clouds and crime
Phoning
Living dead

I am so glad you are enjoying these and I am full of gratitude for the comradary we offer one another.

Ramtha used to "send runners" in the early days a lot. Who can prove conclusively that any incident in their life was a product of a master of the material world putting it there?

There could be a mulitude of reasons that incidences appear in one's life. No one can prove the mechanics of "miracles."

Do they come from within one's own brain? Do they come from advanced interstellar beings with an agenda of their own? Do they come from invisible spiritual realms? Do they come from a G-O-D? or do they come from a master teacher?

Students of RSE have a propensity to conclude that the latest anomaly in their life has come from Ramtha and in fact there is no evidence if it would have occurred regardless.

Ramtha convinces people that he is the source of the "runners" with his MOUTH and yet the exhibition of the capacity to do so in front of multitudes is absent.

Students "know" the incidences come from Ramtha basically because he says so.

How has he proven this?

such is the POWER of belief...

Our beliefs can make us sick, and our beliefs can make us well. the old placebo effect.

I make no claims of "knowing"... I am in the process of waking up and sorting out what I really believe from what I have accepted.

My current thinking says:

Many of us students came to the school with great hope for direction to take us higher in our consciousness.

J/R through the power of mastery of hypnosis (much like a stage show) and NLP on an audience WANTING answers, easily "planted" ideas etc.

And, much like the subjects on these clips, like the guy who behaved "drunk" with no alcohol, the man who selected the vinegar in the grocery store, the boy who had a needle go through his hand but felt it not, the taxi driver in London who was hypnotized NOT see the eye of London, or the entire audience in his show hypnotized to have NO memory of the show at all. Based on suggestion, the students in the school "experience" as they are told they will experience. Perhaps WE create the runners for ourselves to the degree that we accept what is said, by the Hirophant, whom we WANT to be right, because we have tried everything else, we want "our father" to lead us home.

It is freaky as all heck. I do not pretend to have it fugured out... but it is quite interesting that the Leader stands up and says "don't give your power away" and the result is people giving thier power away, as well as their money... and really, much of thier lives.

Who would I be, and what goals would I have accomplished if I had not bought into the idea that the days to come are upon us? I have lived with that suggestion. and those who spent their entire savings on buying land and building undergrounds, that collapse... and R says it is because they (the student) built it in fear that it collapsed. Or the food went rancid because the student resented storing food. Always an explanation that lets the school be right and the student's strife be their own fault. c+e=R

I do not know. What I have experienced is MILD compared to so many others on this site. I loved my experiences, the disciplines, and believing I could enjoy great health and blah blah blah- What freaks the heck out of me are the stories of rapes, of people making toxic concoctions of poisons DURING and AFTER an event and consuming it thinking they have an elixer for immortality. I mean WTF!

I am looking at things differently-now that I have seen, through the great service of Derren Brown that people are sitting ducks for this kind of stuff, REVISIT the stories of wine ceremonies. HOW DO WE KNOW that people were not hypnotized to have sex anywhere they could have it? I was not there, but I heard stories of people having sex in the arena, in the woods, in the parking lots etc. Was THAT a suggestion? And those people who said they were never a part of the sex at the wine ceremonies, perhaps they were, and DONT REMEMBER because they got the suggestion to FORGET ALL OF IT. Perhaps those who can tell about it are the ones who were not in the room for the program to forget?

Again, what the bleep do I know? I do not claim to know, I only claim to QUESTION.

Great posts discernment!!

"Always an explanation that lets the school be right and the student's strife be their own fault. c+e=R"

You did mean "con + energy = Ramtha" didn't you????

About Runners

The magic of "syncronicity", combined with honest, communication and action out in the world, made me notice I was being a runner to others as well as them "helping" me. Boy did that blow my head up..."Hey! i must be a master Now!" IM doing what Ramtha does!
Tongue in cheek I say this to mean...I am now understanding how a Big Guy {Ram, JZ, Me or You], presenting with confidence and authority and what ever "wisdom" innate, can realy influence and touch peoples lives. I see this when I do any amount of entertaining with music or stories....people get captivated and make a big deal out of some parts that seem pretty small to me...but I see how I can run with whatever others are fascinated about, and really influence thier thinking. Its why I have stayed out of the Limelight becasue I have not liked people drooling over my energy.
I learned from RSE and took the goodness out of becoming more psychic and stuff, but I NEVER liked, or did the JZ worshipping thing.
Do you know the first time I was at the old Masters Center, there was a foot tall JZ doll,Barbie like in Ramtha clothes, that people were passing around and actually admiring and playing with. I could hardly believe it..when the real Ram supposedly looked nothing like her! Why hasnt anyone drawn an image of him the way JZ describes he really looks???????????????Hellloooo!!!
I NEVER liked watching her body on the early videos either, and while at events I usually sat in the back row and kept my eyes closed. I could never figure out all the front row people in perpetual smiles agazing. It embarrassed me that they would take this "school" and be so Gaga. I have more compassion now for that, when it seems that yes great advantage has been taken of folks who have an innate weak will and history of [abuse/neglect], that makes some more vulnerable than others. Or just people who like to be On Top and get off on the fame of being associated with...all that.
I really see, in the moment, when I am being a Runner to someone. or them to me....its just normal human relations, combined with God..as in One and the same.
Maybe Ramtha meant to teach us that, but thought he/she would test our integrity and **** around with us a bit.... all for the sake of getting us to learn that...hey, you can't NOT CREATE YOUR DAY or ELSE YOUD BE DEAD! Everyone creates thier day, even if its just to let it unfold However it does.
Its almost sounding like a DumbDown, on that video of Ramtha looking at you telling you how to do it. There are always varying levels of Hard Intent in a person when they wake up in the morning. It just means...if you relinquish intentful direction of your waking hours, duh, you might have some unexpected or unwanted events...but might so anyway even after a hard hour of Focus. There are so many variables in how a person lives thier life/creates thier reality, I dont see how you can successfully sell a Method anyway. You always have to amp up a "sale" if you want to "make a Living" at it.
Im looking foreward, while living in the Yelm area, to watching the chips fall, with these latest revelations..only I feel sad that it looks like Walmart will get the upper hand after all...
Speaking of which, I still wonder what JZ spends all the money on. Are we to think she really spends all her time in that house on the main drag??? How many houses doesshe have? If she Does actually "reside" here in Yelm, what a prison it must feel like. She must be wanting to manifest all this scandal against her, just to get out of it maybe???

how JR works....debilitating rationality and reducing empathy.. SO my experience. These warning signs from another site, tells the story perfectly, of HOW the 'school of enlackment' (bulls-eye!) works. Replace 'destructive cult' with "RSE" and here is what you get..

1. RSE tends to be totalitarian in its control of its members' behavior...likely to dictate in great detail not only what members believe, but also what members wear and eat, when and where members work, sleep, and bathe, and how members think, speak, and conduct familial, marital, or sexual relationships.

2. RSE tends to have an ethical double standard. Members are urged to be obedient to RSE, to carefully follow RSE rules. [In contrast, honorable groups teach members to abide by one set of ethics and act ethically and truthfully to all people in all situations.]

3. RSE has only two basic purposes: recruiting new members and fund-raising. [Honorable groups also recruit and raise funds. However, these actions are incidental to an honorable group's main purpose of improving the lives of its members and humankind. RSE may claim to make social contributions, but in actuality such claims are superficial and only serve as gestures or fronts for recruiting and fund-raising. RSE's real goal is to increase the prestige and often the wealth of the leader.

4. RSE appears to be innovative and exclusive. The leader claims to be breaking with tradition, offering something novel, and instituting the ONLY viable system for change that will solve life's problems or the world's ills. But these claims are empty and only used to recruit members who are then surreptitiously subjected to mind control to inhibit their ability to examine the actual validity of the claims of the leader and RSE.

5. RSE is authoritarian in its power structure. The leader is regarded as the supreme authority. S/he may delegate certain power to a few subordinates for the purpose of seeing that members adhere to the leader's wishes. There is no appeal outside his or her system to a greater system of justice. For example, if a schoolteacher feels unjustly treated by a principal, an appeal can be made to the superintendent. At RSE, the leader claims to have the only and final ruling on all matters.

6. RSE's leader is a self-appointed messianic person claiming to have a special mission in life. For example, claiming to save people from impending doom.

7. RSE's leader centers the veneration of members upon himself or herself. Priests, rabbis, ministers, democratic leaders, and other leaders of genuinely altruistic movements focus the veneration of adherents on God or a set of ethical principles.

8. RSE's leader tends to be determined, domineering, and charismatic. Such a leader effectively persuades followers to abandon or alter their families, friends, and careers to follow RSE. The leader then takes control over followers' possessions, money, time, and lives.

An RSE student who once stayed on my property symbolically "killed" her doubting mind by building a grave mound and erecting a cross on top with the word DOUBT on it. I'm glad I got out before I "killed" mine!

"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest
enemy of truth."

--Albert Einstein