Thanks for joining in the conversation!
Aw, gee, Toni... :-/ I'm TRYING not to be crazy!!
Wow. With "logic" like that, I have to wonder how much DM had been drinking, or what else he was on. Older-style hippie hard rock "heavy metal" is (usually) one thing, but testosterone-OD gloom & doom thrash metal with its rageaholic screaming vocals and constant imagery of death (or should I say "deth", cringe), violence, and darkness is another. Long hair (as DM's once was, if it isn't any more) has never been any guarantee of reasonable or progressive "thinking". Get a brain, Mustaine!
Scary stuff, isn't it? Not being a heavy metal fan or follower, I can't be sure if Mustaine was ever sane. But he surely is not now. He is also a birther who says he has no doubt the President was not born in America, but rather in Kenya (you know, and then his family, the US Government, the State of Hawaii and who knows who else immediately conspired to make it look like he was born in the USA so that someday he could grow up to be President and destroy us from within)
And I though Narc Farner the Rock Patriot and Ted Nugent the Talentless were crazy!
Whoa. Mustaine shows signs of actual paranoia, but then, so do many birthers. C'est bizarre! Break out the tinfoil hats for all three-- him, Ted, and Narc. They could all tour together as "The Alcoa Advantage" or "The Reynolds Rappers" to promote their nutty agendas, and with any "luck" their headgear won't work and they'll be beamed aboard some random low-flying alien spacecraft, and not returned! "And there was much rejoicing", to quote Monty Python... :-)
no Laurie, I like breasts.
Now I'm gonna get slammed for this also.
The only reason you people post these stupid rock remarks is they're anti Obama;
So am I.
We all know Ms. Franklin is pro Obama.
Most rockers don't know politics & don't care.
From my Facebook page thoughts:
I saw the likes of Richard J. Daley *"the boss of Chicago" oiling up The Chicago Democratic Machine today.
He asked how I was voting.
We want to advance an agenda where it’s okay to have a middle class again and workers who speak up for their rights are not vilified and people who have a decent pension and maybe a little healthcare when they retire aren’t the enemy.
in 2008 voters elected a president who promised to break the partisan gridlock and to focus on an agenda that transcended party and special interest groups.
A counter-weight to previous GOP rule, Democrats turned out to act
much like them.
They passed legislation on party-line only votes.
They pushed a health care law through Congress, but failed to make the case for how it was going to help people survive a flailing economy.
Barack Obama blaming the former administration for the shape this country is in is like Dale Sveum blaming the former manager of The Cubs for the shape they are in.
Do I need a tin foil hat also?
Oh, pooh, dear Dale. Don't be silly. Nobody's slamming you for anything, much less for liking breasts! I'm rather attached to mine, myself. If you meant "crazy" in a good way since bra-burning, just say so! I did ask if you were joking, and anyway I was teasing by laying on the feminist rhetoric so thick in my prior post, hence the impudent smiley-face at the end. But--what "stupid rock remarks", dude? I beg your pardon? I'm pro-Obama too, though he's often too centrist for my taste, but he's a good guy and he's the best chance we've got right now to keep from reverting to the Dark Ages. And baloney that most rockers don't know politics and don't care! How can you say that? Try backing up your claims instead of acting like we're "against" you, bro.
Some kind of cyber-cake, B? Uh, no thanks. You've made it clear on many occasions you feel Reg's posts are the cat's pyjamas. Good-o. I like 'em too, MOST of the time. As for anyone else keeping this crazy bunch entertained for weeks with writing skills, gee whiz! Don't make it sound like an impossible task, or anything. I don't get it. Don certainly could do it, in half a heartbeat, and frankly, so could I, to name but two! I rather thought we already HAD done. I knew there was SOME reason Toni was so eager to have me back on the board, and seems concerned if Don's away too long... I thought that was it. Hmph. You mean... Don and I should write even LONGER posts?? Funnier? More intellectual? More informative? Or what?? Whoa, there, dude, you don't know what you're letting yourself in for. OK... you asked for it!!
Not sure what I asked for, other than a little peace on earth and a new tractor maybe? Anyway, our cats don't wear pyjamas and I wouldn't dare to try putting one on them either..
Eeek! I'm SO sorry, B-meister! After resting my poor frazzled brain a wee bit, I realize I COMPLETELY misread your earlier "piece of cake" statement! Your English is too good! You meant of course that saving the world IS or would be EASY for someone who could keep this group entertained for weeks like Reg does. For some reason, though, it looked to me when I first read it that you were literally if fliply offering a piece of cake as a joke reward to whomever could keep the board entertained as long as he with comparable writing skills! Pathetic, huh. Gotta laugh at myself for this one! SOMEBODY I know...I wonder WHO... needs to calm down and catch up on some more sleep tonight! With my beloved kittycat who wakes me up several times a night, and HE doesn't wear 'jamas, either. I pity whomever would try to get him to, LOL. Sorry again for being cranky earlier. If I get that way I usually snap out of it fairly quickly, at least. Hope you get your new tractor and we all get world peace. :-)
Dale, rockers have always been some of the most politically outspoken people out there: John Lennon, Ian Hunter (new album, "When I'm President", John Fogerty, Bruce Springsteen, Country Joe, Rage Against the Machine, Bob Marley, U2, Green Day, Nine Inch Nails, Pink Floyd, etc., etc. Your #2 rant: Yeah, voters did elect a president who promised to break the partisan gridlock - check out some of those votes - absolutely no support from the other side. This president has basically had no support from the get go - so you're going to put that on him? Even now, if the president expects to extend tax breaks to the middle class the other side of the aisle will only agree to it if he also extends those same tax breaks to the coveted 1%. Your #3 rant: Your baseball analogy makes no sense at all - you can't rewrite history, Dale, the former administration, did in fact, along with Congress, have everything to do with the ongoing weak economy.
English rockers don't mean spit in American politics.
And haven't the majority of those rockers mentioned all been democrats.
Oh well, then I pity him and us these next 4 years.
Oh Laurie, you have absolutely nothing to be sorry for!! I'm the one to blaim for sometimes taking things and people for granted. A definite no-no in all relationships.
I mean, no one can write and entertain a crowd like you - if I remember correctly you once even won first prize in some writing contest at this place? And Don - I miss his amazing Wagstaff reports soo much it's almost in level with waiting for Alvin's CD release. Hope Don is doing fine, BTW. So many creative people at this fantastic site.
Hm, feels like I've lost the thread.. Anyway, I'll be off line for a couple of days, visiting kids and grandkids. Until I get back on Monday, here's a big hug and a piece of today's "Woodstock birthday cake" for being the wonderful and highly creative person you are!
Don't forget the album Neil Young put out about 6 years ago, Dale and Victor...the entire thing was an anti-Bush extravaganza with great no-nonsense titles like "Let's Impeach the President" and "Lookin' for a Leader"! So... now it seems Ian Hunter is stepping up to the plate, ha. Too bad he can't really, unless he was born here...another birther scandal? ;-) CSN&Y had the famous "Ohio" song decades back. Saw Joan Jett at the Iowa State Fair several years ago, and she was no slouch at criticizing Bush in at least one song...Pink had a similar song a few albums back. And-- anybody heard of Bob Dylan? He's been a rocker almost as long as he's been a folkie! "Masters of War", "Blowin' in the Wind", etc., etc. The personal is political!
JOHN LENNON didn't mean spit in American politics, Dale?? So THAT'S why they had an FBI file on him a mile wide!! And how is your original claim that most rockers aren't political bolstered by some (if any) of the rockers Victor listed being or having been Democrats? The latter party ain't perfect-- nobody's saying it is-- and has gone through many changes and upheavals over the decades. Remember all the demonstrations and controversy at the '68 Democratic Convention? Let's not forget Jefferson Airplane and the radical "Volunteers" album...were they "Democrats"? I kinda doubt it. But they sure were political!
I believe those 60's artists were more anti=establishment than political.
J. Edgar & Nixon thought of John Lennon as radical.
(leftist peace activism a subversive, communist)
On the Joan Jett subject.
She played at a July 4th event here, about 300 people showed up.
A few weeks later I saw her at The Iowa State Fair, it was wall to wall people.
Being anti-establishment is VERY political, in my view, Dale! How is it not? How are you defining "political"? And to hell with Tricky Dick and J. Edgar and their paranoid machinations, but when was Lennon ever actually a communist?? Remember that famous mocking line of his about 'Chairman Mao' in "Revolution"! Lennon was too much into artistic and personal freedom, even license, ever to buy into any form of totalitarianism, I'd say! Many hippies were obviously communally-oriented and loosely and benevolently socialistic, but that's a far cry from advocating the Iron Curtain! Many of us hippie peace activists got sick and tired of getting pegged as "commies" when what we wanted was a REAL democracy in which we wouldn't be spied on and written up or seen as "subversive" or "unpatriotic" for engaging in freedom of thought, speech, protest, etc., and for disagreeing with the government or a particular administration as we saw fit. Doing those things is part of how this country got started, after all!
Aw, gee, thanks, B-bo! That's mighty sweet of ya! Hey, it's a tough job being a diva, but SOMEBODY'S gotta do it!! I mean ME, of course, since you already burned YOUR bra way back when, tee hee. ;-) Say, you've written many excellent posts of your own and are pretty wonderful yourself! :-) Yes, I did win a writing contest on here several years ago...I was thrilled that Alvin picked my quirky last-minute "Star Trek" story for first place, bless his heart! I think it may still be in the website archives someplace. Every so often I threaten to continue with another installment, heh heh heh...evil grin. Have a blast with your kids and grandkids, B-Bop!! ;-)
Dale, your analogy in #3 below might be apt if the US economy were only as small as a baseball club, and with as few "players" and considerations... but it's not. Admittedly I was bored stiff by my high school Economics class, and am certainly no whiz on the subject, but apparently I passed with some grasp of the basics, and anyway, I think my opening assertion just stands to reason. Don't you think our economic situation is just a bit more complicated than the Chicago Cubs? Damage that was done under Bush's 8 years isn't going to disappear magically in 3 and a half. NO president is ever able to fulfill all his campaign promises, either. It makes Obama a human being, not Superman, certainly not sleazy. So...ARE you voting for Romney, or for someone else, or for nobody? Or aren't ya tellin'? A street protester outside a recent Romney appearance in Des Moines carried a great sign that got mentioned in the newspaper write-up: "Is it true you paid no taxes at all for 10 years?" Ha. Makes me wonder, since the Romneys have refused to release those particular records. Romney people kept trying to cover up this guy's sign, so a cop took him in hand and escorted him to a corner across the street where they weren't to bother him. Btw, I saw part of an interview with Romney's wife last eve, and she was going on about how they wouldn't release the 10 years of tax records in question because it would only set them up to be attacked and criticized further. Ooh, poor, poor them! Talk about a sense of entitlement! She acted as if they were laboring under a wrongful imposition, for Goddess' sake. If you're for workers and the middle class, surely you're not for Romney and tax breaks for millionaires!?
No Romney isn't the answer neither is Obama.
Yes I am voting, but it isn't November yet.
Of course, it is not legally required to release 10 years of tax returns, it is only done as a matter of... tradition? Expectation? A game of "chicken"? A game of "Got'cha!"? It all started with Richard Nixon as the VP candidate in 1952. Since then, it's become expected. It changed the unwritten rules.
Obama is not a politician.
The anti-establishment protesting sentiment was more about the culture and values than politics back in the sixties.
A little bird reminded me of this.
Mrs. Romney (Ann?) mentioned in the interview I saw that she and the Mitten Man had released the "required" amount of tax returns, whatever that's supposed to be, and would release no more. I sure wouldn't be thrilled about having to release mine, but then, I wouldn't run for prez if I had that big an objection to doing it. Given all the factors at hand, including the "tradition" of tax transparency, however and whyever it came about, the point is, if your opponent(s) release(s) more tax info than you're willing to do, it just plain looks bad-- especially if you're a Daddy Megabucks advocating tax breaks for the wealthy during an economic slump with high unemployment rates among the middle and working classes. As for the '60s anti-establishment, Dale, or for that matter, that of the '50s or the '70s, it was often vastly political. I know, because as I was growing up, some of my relatives and the relatives of some of my friends were involved in it. But even if they hadn't been, the movement was demonstrably, observably political as it manifested in various media. You and I must just be defining "political" very differently, Dale. It's not just about voting and running for office and passing laws in Congress, of course. You mention anti-establishment culture and values... OK, let's take the music. Much of it was anti-war and pro-civil rights-- those are values, and very political! I was singing folk and protest songs myself with a guitar myself by age 13. What do you think "the Establishment" was? Organized religion; big business; restrictive social and sexual mores; conservative literary, artistic, fashion, and living standards; the military; and-- the government. When you have values and create culture at odds with all those things, you're being political. The personal is ALWAYS political, in the highest sense of the word.
For me - and a lot of other people who are going to vote for Obama, it's still more about culture and values than politics, Dale. Always has been for me, actually. And Romney/Ryan simply and very clearly to do not share my values. Obama mostly does - and he's the only candidate who supports the things you say you want in your point #1.
By the way, I don't post those rock musician statements because they are anti-Obama; if Romney brought out insanity in any over the hill rockers, I'd be happy to post those comments too.
That's the way it should be.