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I THINK I,VE FINALLY REACHED THE END OF WHAT I CAN STAND TO HEAR ABOUT THIS AS.HOLE. HE,S NOW (MOSES)AND IS STUPID ENOUGH TO TELL OTHERS THAT G O D IS SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO HIM AND HE,S HEARING THE VOICE OF G O D AND HE,S NOT ONLY LISTENING BUT CARRYING OUT HIS ORDERS IN PALESTINE RECENTLY HE APPEARS TO OF TOLD SOMEONE THERE THAT G O D SPOKE TO HIM AND TOLD THEM TO GIVE THEM THERE LAND BACK, SO HE DID? G O D ALSO IT APPEARS ALSO TOLD HIM TO FREE THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ, AND GIVE THEM THERE THERE COUNTRY BACK. THATS ONLY TWO OF THE MESSAGES IN WHAT APPEARS TO BE A DIRECT PIPELINE DUMBAS. HAS RIGHT TO G O D. FUNNY G O D DIDN,T GIVE HIM A LITTLE HEADS UP SEPT 10TH ABOUT THE LITTLE PROBLEM WITH THE PLANES INTO THE BUILDINGS , BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY G O D WORKS IN STRANGE WAYS AS I SIT AND TRY TO IMAGINE WHAT LOSING EVERY THING WEVE WORKED YEARS FOR WILL BE LIKE , MY ONLY COMFORT IS THAT IT SEEMS THAT THE PEOPLE ARE CATCHING ON TO THESE REBP MORONS AND THERE AGENDA HERES ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A COUPLE OF HAPPY STORIES THAT I HEARD TODAY , STUPID IS STRIPING $50 BILLION FROM MEDICARE, FOODS STAMP PROGRAMS, AND STUDENT LOANS. AND THE VOTE IN IRAG ISN,T EVEN COUNTED YET BUT GOLLY GOMER , IT SEEMS THAT 99% OF THE PEOPLE IN IRAQ WHO ARE KILLING US AND RIGHTLY CAN,T STAND US INVADING THERE COUNTRY HAVE VOTED 99% TO 1% TO AGREE TO AS.HOLES CONSTITUTION, THAT HE WROTE ON A PIECE OF TOILET PAPER. SOUND LIKE OHIO OR FLA AGAIN, I LOVE IT THAT THEY THINK WERE SO STUPID , AS THEY KEEP DIGGING THE HOLE THERE IN DEEPER AND DEEPER, AS THEY SEE THERE POWER (SLIP SLIDING AWAY) FUC. BUSH, I,VE HAD IT PEACE PAUL P.S. I ALMOST FORGOT , AFTER BUSH HAS LET MILLIONS OF MEXICANS FLOOD OUR CITYS , AND TAKE OUR JOBS , AND DRAIN OUR SERVICES THAT WE PAY FOR WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS, NOW AS HE SEES HIS APPROVAL NUMBERS AT AN ALL TIME LOW OF #38 AND FALLING LIKE A ROCK,THERE SAYING (NO MORE CATCH AND RELEASE)THEY CLAIM THERE GOING TO SEND THEM BACK . THATS A CROCK OF SHI. , THE CATCH AND RELEASE THING SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING I DO WHEN I,AM FISHING
I think that may be an old interview Paul - I remember reading it a while back and was horrified. God is pretty selective in what he tells Gee, isn't he? - I mean, he forgot to tell him to read the ****ed memo that said Al Qaeda was gonna fly planes into buildings. He forgot to tell him that there were no WMD in Iraq (well, maybe he did tell him that one but Gee didn't really care, did he????), he forgot to tell him we have people starving in this country and more people living in poverty than before his brilliant give the rich tax cuts, heck, he even forgot to tell him about Katrina - after it happened! I don't know but if Gee is getting messages from God, either God has Alzheimers or he's really messing with the dude.
By the way, I don't have any problem with Mexicans or anybody else coming into this country - its what we were built on. Sure would be nice to see them have to pay taxes like the rest of us, though.
Paul, I'm a tad bit offended by your rant concluding with a "flood of Mexicans" taking jobs, etc., etc., etc. Being of Mexican/Spanish/French descent I take offense to your narrow minded view of Mexicans. My mother was born and raised in Mexico. When she married my father (who was born in San Francisco) they came to California to live. My mother not only worked hard to raise four children she also worked hard to earn a teaching credential and become a very successful teacher and business woman. That my friend is the fruitful goal of all peoples who pursue a better life for themselves and their familes. Most of the immigrants that come from Mexico, Central America and South America work service and farm labor jobs particularily here in California. Call it insource/outsource. They're not stealing anyone's job! They're being hired by farms, ranches, hotels, vineyards, etc., because the local pool of laborers including myself will not do that kind of work. I had my own transportation company (which I sold off) and now I work part-time driving limo's, buses, etc., primarily here in the wine country. I once picked up at a very wealthy client's home thinking I was going to take him to the airport. I ended up taking his "Mexican" staff to the airport so they could go home for the holidays. This very wealthy "white" man thought so much of his staff that he personally made sure they were well taken care of. Another man, a vineyard owner, told me his valued laborers/grape pickers/pruners were so valued that he, too, would foot the bill for them to return every year to his vineyard. Yeah, Paul, I do understand that any countries resources can be taxed without appropriate controls especially with regard to immigration - but, let's look at the whole picture with an open mind and not take an ignorant and paranoid point of view.
I think many Americans have a tendency to blame problems with our economy on the influx of Mexican immigrants - too bad, really, because frankly I can't at all see how they are the cause. I DO believe we need to get a handle on illegal immigration (from everywhere) because the loss of tax revenues, etc, can indeed put a drain on resources - but lets never forget that America is truly a nation of immigrants and that it's immigrants who made us as strong as we are today. When my grandparents arrived from France and Italy , they were poor and discriminated against, but they came with a desire to work hard - my mother's father worked in a factory for many years; my father's father was a sharecropper - but through that hard work they improved their lives and the lives of their children and ultimately benefited the country as a whole. I've lived among immigrant Mexicans and Cubans and Columbians etc - what I've seen in general among all of them is that same willingness to work back breaking jobs if necessary to provide a better life for their families. We don't need to stop them from coming here, what we need is to stop their exploitation and ensure that employers pay them fair reportable wages.
One of the lesson of history that goes under-learned is that we have had wave after wave of immigration - each greeted with the sage prediction that it was ruining America and would lead to doom. Well, despite all of the nay-sayers, America survived and wil continue to do so. The "Great Migration" of 1890-1920 from Eastern and Southern Europe to the US - the largest mass migration of people in history - possitively dwarfs immigration from Mexico, so this isn't even that large of an immigration trend. Immigration tends to become an issue only when there are economic problems and competition for low-paying jobs that normally are only wanted by recent immigrants. Thus, we need to concentrate on both immigration and economic issues, but realize they are not necessarily one and the same.
I say respect to the Mexicans.
They built my four Fenders.
I'll agree w/most of your post except where you state the migrant labor from Mexico (whether legal or illegal) as being a major financial/jobs problem for our society. Any "welfare" for which they may qualify pales next to the corporate welfare our current regime grants its patrons. By forcing this labor underground we lose their tax revenue. Toni has more on this subject down-thread, but I had to get my two cents in (par value currently $0.014). We can use more labor from abroad, but I agree it has to be legal, honest and equitable.
No objection to immigrants wherever they are from, provided they work within the system and pay thier dues.
We too have a distinct lack of skilled labour, and are screaming for tradesmen. I don't care about colour or creed, I'll give them a job and pay them the going rate.
The immigrants I object to are the ones who make no effort to learn the language or culture of their adopted country and disappear into the 'black economy' at the same time milking the welfare system for all it's worth, without ever contributing a penny to it.
In many cases the employers who exploit immigrants are their own countrymen, who become very wealthy indeed on the back of sweat shop labour.
FRANKLY VICTOR, I DON,T RECALL YOU,RE NAME BEING SPOKEN, MY FRIEND. AND QUITE HONESTLY YOU ARE THE ONE WHO HAS A NARROW MINDED VIEW OF THIS. VICTOR PEOPLE CAN OBVIOUSLY POST THERE OPINIONS ABOUT THIS BUT THE FACTS ARE THE FACTS.YOU DO HAVE A POINT THAT I WAS WRONG TO SAY A (FLOOD OF MEXICANS) THE TRUTH IS IT,S MORE LIKE A MASSIVE (TSUNAMI)OF MEXICANS, FOR THAT I WILL SAY SORRY. ANYYONE WHO HAS A T.V. OR GETS A NEWS PAPER IN THIS COUNTRY VICTOR, READS AND SEE,S WEEKLY, SOME TIMES DAILY THE STORIES ABOUT THE MASSIVE DRAIN ON THE TAX PAYERS,THE HOSPITALS, SCHOOLS,STATE AND ,LOCAL GOVERNMENTS,THE PRISIONS, THAT ARE OVER FLOWING WITH ILLEGALLS E.T.C. E.T.C., WHO HAVE INVADED OUR COUNTRY AND HAVE COMMITTED NUMEROUS CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY, AND THE GOOD HONEST ,TAX PAYING CITIZENS ,OF WHATS LEFT OF OUR COUNTRY I NEVER SAID VICTOR THAT THE ILLEGALS ARE THE ONLY PROBLEM WE HAVE, BUT WHEN YOU AND THE OTHERS SAY ANOTHER WORDS (OH THATS NO BIG DEAL) WHAT #20 MILLION PEOPLE INVADING ANOTHER COUNTRY, AND FOR THE MOST PART (DRAINING)IT,S RESOURCESES, WHILE GIVING VERY LITTLE BACK, OTHER THAN THERE CHEAP LABOR TO HELP THE REPUBLICAN RUN CORPORATIONS, STUFF THERE POCKETS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE REST OF US .NO THANKS VICTOR, I,AM NOT GOING ROUND AND ROUND WITH THIS BUDDY, I,VE ALWAYS LIKED WHAT YOU, HAVE HAD TO SAY ON HERE VIC , AND I WAS SIMPLY STATING THE OBVIOUS WITH MY COMMENTS P.S. TODAYS VALLEY NEWS DISPATCH VICTOR HERE WHERE I LIVE IN PA (FRONT PAGE) ILLEGAL ALIENS ARRESTED ON BASES RAISE SECURITY CONCERNS... (MILITARY JOBS CONTRACTED TO OUTSIDE COMPANIES COULD POSE PROBLEMS)...... (QUOTE)SCORES OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WORKING AS COOKS, LABORERS,JANITORS,EVEN FOREIGN-LANGUAGE INSTRUCTORS HAVE BEEN SEIZED AT MILITARY BASES AROUND THE COUNTRY IN THE PAST YEAR, RAISING CONCERNS IN SOME QUARTERS ABOUT SECURITY AND TROOP SAFETY.... PEACE PAUL
YOU,RE RIGHT SCOTT, MY POINT WAS ,ANY JOBS LOST IS TOO MANY YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. I HAVE A SMALL NURSERY , AND DO SOME LANDSCAPING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO PAY WHAT IT COST TO DO QUALITY WORK. I GET A LITTLE UPSET WHEN SOMEONE TRIES TO TELL ME THERE NOT TAKING (ANYONES JOBS) THATS A LITTLE SHORT SITED AND A LOT SHORT ON THE FACTS SCOTT I,VE SEEN AND KNOW OF CONTRACTORS HERE IN PA WHO HIRES THEM AND PAYS THEM $5.00 BUCKS AN HOUR, THATS SURE NOT FAIR TO THE POOR GUY WHO GETS ONLY $5.00 BUCKS AN HOUR, AND IT,S CERTAINLY ALSO NOT FAIR TO ME WHO HAS TO PAY A GOOD LABORER $10-12.00 BUCKS AN HOUR, WHEN I HAVE WORK FOR THEM. SOME PEOPLE GET A BIT EXCITED SCOTT, YOU,VE KNOW DOUBT NOTICED THAT I,AM NOT AT ALL POLITICALLY CORRECT BUDDY, AND I,AM TO OLD TO START NOW I,VE ALWAYS TOLD IT LIKE IT IS , AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON,T CARE TO OR GET NERVOUS WHEN THEY HEAR THE TRUTH PRESENTED TO THEM ,THEY WOULD RATHER YOU ALWAYS KISS PEOPLES AS.ES IN THE INTREST OF NOT ROCKING THE BOAT P.S. I THOUGHT YOU,RE COMMENT ABOUT THE FENDERS WAS VERY FUNNY , AND I CAN READ THAT AND NOT THINK YOU,RE RIPPING SOMEONE, WHY CAN,T OTHER PEOPLE????? OH WELL BUDDY KEEP ON ROCKIN PEACE PAUL
Paul, I certainly don't mean to be unsympathetic to you, or anyone who feels negatively affected by some inequity. We have an opposite yet similar problem generated by the same idiotic immigration laws. You're evidently hurt by under-priced (and less talented, I'll wager)labor competition from those who are here illegally. For me, I have been trying for two years to get a uniquely qualified woman from Moldova here legally to fill a position that I cannot fill any other way. Immigration and foreign worker laws tell me "NO" every time. My advice to her was to fly to Mexico and walk across! It's cost me thousands $$ to not have this position filled.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN THEN SCOTT, THE SAD THING IS THE FLOOD OF ILLEGALLS ALSO HURTS PEOPLE LIKE THE LADY YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEGALLY HIRE. I,AM HOPEFULLY BRIGHT ENOUGH TO SURVIVE SCOTT, I JUST GET PIS.ED OFF WHEN SOMEONE TRIES TO SAY OH WHAT PROBLEM, I DON,T THINK VICTOR GETS IT, I,AM SURE HE,S A GREAT GUY HE,S JUST WRONG WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. THERES A STORY HERE TODAY ABOUT HALIBURTON GOING INTO NEW ORLEANS, AND FIRING ALL THE CARPENTERS WORKING ON THE RECOVERY PROJECTS DOWN THERE AND REPLACING THEM WITH (ILLEGAL IMIGRANTS)AND KNOW DOUBT PAYING THEM A FRACTION OF WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE AND HAVE A STAKE IN THERE COMMUNITY WERE MAKING (WHAT THE FUC. IS THAT) THAT IS IN EFFECT (STEALING PEOPLES JOBS )JUST LIKE I SAID PEACE PAUL