Good points, Dance.
It's all a form of manipulation. If we accept the fearful emotions that we may have, we're going to limit ourselves because of it. I was in an audience of at least 1,000 people a little while back, and "Ramtha" threatened my wellbeing because I refused to raise my hand in compliance with a question that I did not agree with. I mean to say, he was ANGRY, and even scared those around me. I stayed in my spot, and stared at him with no expression. I refused to engage him. In my heart, I was losing respect for who I thought my teacher to be, acting like such an axxhole. Out of control with anger. It was such a blessing, in a strange way, as it helped push me out the door. I went to my RV and cried so hard for hours upon end until I thought I was going to be sick to my stomach. The Egg Cracked that day. It was over, and the rest, until my last attended event, was just going through the motions of detachment on all levels, and observing the ... the blindness of most of the students. I would search/scan the audience as I sat there, for others who did not raise their hands. I was in the front and on the video camera, so perhaps that ****** her/him off even more. I don't know. I don't care anymore, either. I'm truly free. I care enough about myself and have enough self worth to know that I did not deserve that outburst at all. I don't accept it and I never will. That being, whomever it truly was, was like a threatened, angry, egotistical child having just that - a temper tantrum. I learned something very powerful about myself that day - about my own inner strength.
It was then that I started quietly doing "google" searches on "ramtha", "fraud", "rse scam" and all similar things like that. I read for hours and hours and hours, for weeks and months. I had found FACTNet, and I read every post many times. I couldn't sleep at night. I thought about all of the things I had told my children about "Ramtha", that I assumed were true, and how they trusted ME (as young ones who believe their parents), and how I had to now undo all of that. ACK !!! It was like going through the stages of grief. Then I got angry...the betrayal...that so and so...how could JZ sleep at night or look herself in the mirror ? I thought about those wine ceremonies, when "he" was stinking drunk and used language that was worse than an X-rated movie, for up to 9 hours straight, in front of children. That is child abuse. Talking about extremely sexual/private/adult content for hours on end, also in front of children. That, too, is child abuse. It all made me nauseous. Where could I turn to talk to someone ? Few people even knew I went to RSE. Thank the real God that I found many articles, and then FACTNet...but the clincher was an article in Williamette Weekly. I read the looong article. Then, I saw a photograph of this guy they interviewed and quoted as an x-RSE student, David McCarthy. I looked at the picture and I remembered him. Seeing him at the ranch many times. Never talked to him. Just remembered him very clearly. I screamed to my hubby, "I KNOW THIS GUY!" For some reason, that was enough for me to start posting and emailing David. He has proven to be a very sensitive, caring, honest, compassionate human being. He has strength and bravery. He has tolerated verbal attacks and gossip because he has dared to speak out about RSE and demand accountability. But, he has spoken only facts as he has known them. He has asked hard questions and they have yet to be answered. I hope he sees the day, and we all do, that those answers are forthcoming.

I also wish that we would see the day that Audrey, and ex-staffers, would speak up. JZ can't hurt anybody. She's a bully. That's my opinion, and I'm speaking it. I have compassion for her, but I believe she is a child in an adult body. Carolyn Myss describes the "wounded child" syndrome and it makes me think of JZ.

Thank you for speaking up for the Thunder Market. And you're right about all of it, including the weddings and all the other stuff. Ms. Knight didn't want a community of fellow-enlightened-humans making the world a better place. She just wanted to be number uno. Competition took her to a level of base emotions ie. jealousy. Scary, that we wanted so much to please that we would rather find error in ourselves, then in the great teacher and the teacher's "body and mind".

Another is that Judy acts out tyrannical behavior which is well known and generates a lot of fear. I know a loyal ten year employee who was fired and one of the last things Judy screamed at her was, "I'll do everything in my power to make sure that you never collect unemployment." Scary stuff.

For all of those who live in foreign countries who have not the foggiest idea of what this means I found out that in the USA the former employer pays the unemployment benefits not the government as is the case in Australia.